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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:10AM pcgneurotic said

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Good for them! Bravo Frogster. The hacker made his point, and if he has any sense he knows it will have been made at a personal cost to himself, if he's caught. It's just a shame it had to go this far before any hope of changes could be seen.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:21AM FritzFricia said

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No company who offers such a service should resort of accepting demands from someone so cowardly. Good job Frogster for keeping your ground.
Sure there are games out there, and their accompanying publishers, that seem to ignore the player base but it is not our place as a player to force things into work. There are better ways to handle such things than making players suffer. Including just counting your losses and leave the game entirely.
Many people like myself have been at the hands of scrupulous developers who think along the lines of an almighty dollar and how to obtain it in different ways, but if you want to make a difference you should look at their bottom line and not the line of other players.
Hopefully this won't cascade to other games and other movements that would ultimately involve a collapse of the MMO F2P market and gamers as a whole will lose like the Anime industry did in Japan with Boot Leggers.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:50AM Misterlee said

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@FritzFricia

scrupulous
–adjective
Having scruples; having or showing a strict regard for what one considers right; principled.

So, no complaints then?
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:28AM Bladerunner83 said

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I don't agree with the approach the hacker took to attack Frogster, but I can answer those questions asked:

"Why is someone so angry? Why do they want to harm Frogster and the user base? Obviously, in any community you have people who complain. Some of them are reasonable, and some complain in a way that is unacceptable,"

"Why is someone so angry?"
Hacker states - "better start respecting the people that pay your salary."

"Why do they want to harm Frogster and the user base?"
Because he/she didn't get respect!

"Obviously, in any community you have people who complain. Some of them are reasonable, and some complain in a way that is unacceptable"

One defining part of all MMOs.

I can personally answer those questions:

"Why is someone so angry?"
Because the quality of game play is crap.

"Why do they want to harm Frogster and the user base?"
Because they want the company to end, without having to think about another crap game in the future.

Frogster does not let gamers voice their negative opinions on its forums, and even pressures independent forums to remove their opinions. If Blizzard did this its guarantied they would be attack by hackers in the same fashion.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:38AM FritzFricia said

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@Bladerunner83 lots of players would just hack the hacker, the current state of affairs for fanboys/girls in our internet.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 11:28AM ErikC said

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@Bladerunner83

Honestly, I think you might be reading a little too much into this. I mean... the dude kinda screwed over 2000 random people, so presumably he's a bit off his rocker. There's enough animosity toward the developers in any game community for someone that nuts to feed off of.

I have no idea whether or not their community management was particularly terrible or anything, I'm just saying that I doubt that the dude would have been one of the sane, reasonable fans if it was any different. Most likely, it's pretty much just that with this game, one of the resident nutbags was successful at stealing the info.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 1:25PM pid said

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@Bladerunner83 you said:

>"Why is someone so angry?"
>Because the quality of game play is crap.

This doesn't bestow a customer the right to break into the provider's property. You have the faculty to stop consuming a product and turn away from a company. Just close your wallet and they will feel hurt. No need to break office windows and steal folders from a cabin. Because that's exactly what that "smart" guy did.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 4:12PM Brockobama321 said

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@pid Are you implying that one person makes a difference? Obviously you've never been to the real world.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:40AM Lobotomist said

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If you ask me - its just some hacker that succeed in random hack event - they launch hundreds of those every day trying to sniff vulnerabilities.

He didnt know what to do with the usernames he got, so he staged all the story.

I mean seriously

Do you think anyone who plays Frogster games to extent big enough to be offended by Frogster - is super intelligent computer hacker ?!

LOL

It takes lot of knowledge. Knowledge you can not obtain if you play F2P grind fests whole day over.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 10:56AM werewood said

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Its a total amateur attitude to think that as a studio your investment is in content rather than security. Its a non valid argument in my book.
The budget should definitely be divided rightfully between all aspects of the game and user data is to be treated as the most important IP you have.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 1:21PM pid said

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@werewood what!?!? User data is not an IP. It may be a valuable asset, but Intellectual Property is something completely different. Maybe you are a bit confus.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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Just another in a loooooong list of bad things I have heard about frogster

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 1:35PM Jade Effect said

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Meh, looks like the typical useless police who is only good for wasting tax-payers' money and can't solve their way out of a paper bag.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 4:11PM Brockobama321 said

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-People complain

-Nothing Happens

-People complain more

-Nothing happens

-People revolt, and ask for legitimate demands

-"Lol no we're gonna do nothing"


This is only going to escalate from here.

Posted: Feb 1st 2011 4:59PM mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb said

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@Brockobama321

Indeed, you can almost see tomorrows headline:

" All Frogster usernames & passwords of all accounts from all games put on BitTorrent ".

And then a DoS on their support telephone number as 1 million fax machines/voip phones try dialing it at the same time for 48 hours straight.

=)
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2011 3:05AM TehKlute said

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@Brockobama321

Frogster is not a government; If you want to have a say in the company i suggest you purchase shares. Until then neither you nor the demented hacker really have any right to make demands of them.

Surely you don't walk into a burger king and demand they change the menu? And blackmail them when they don't listen to you?

If cpt.z3r0 is so upset with a game that he has to resort to breaking the law, why not just move on? God knows there are plenty of fantasy mmos out there. He would probably fit in with the drama queens on the WoW forums actually..
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Posted: Feb 2nd 2011 3:53AM Brockobama321 said

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@TehKlute Yea no.

Theres a key problem with that theory: That you think 1 customer makes a difference. Good on this guy for taking it to Drastic measures. Maybe if more people did that then most games wouldn't suck *Cough WoW Cough*.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 9:30PM Valdamar said

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Whether the hacker had a legitimate grievance or not, giving out the account details of paying customers is just not right - sure, it hurts Frogster, but did he think for one minute about the people who own those 2,000 accounts? Of course not. He's just another egotistical hacker shouting out "look what I just did!" to the Internet.

Cpt.Z3r0 indeed - a total zero.

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