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Posted: Jan 21st 2011 3:36PM Miffy said

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As soon as Microtransactions come into the game then I will never play again. They've ruined most MMOs I've played in the past and they'll ruin this one. It'll be things like pay £5 for new hair and shit that should be in the creation as default. No excuse for it when I pay a subscription, if I didn't pay one then fine but it is there.

One thing that pissed me off in SWG which was already ruined by the CU and NGE was the TCG. All the kool new items were put in TCG and nothing good for any in game quest rewards or crafters. Infact the quality of TCG items were head and shoulders above the crap they put as quest rewards, which was basically recycled crap from the game but in a different colour or something.

Posted: Jan 21st 2011 3:47PM macscarfe said

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@Miffy Can i haz ur stuff! :)
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Posted: Jan 21st 2011 3:54PM cowboyhugbees said

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@Miffy I say either F2P with microtransactions, or a monthly subscription fee. Having both is absolute despicable.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2011 5:05PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Miffy

Heh :bittervetting: it for real there.
The game already offers full blown RMT features, you can even buy Titan capable pilot straight off the character forums and here you are raging over... erm.. some cosmetic microtransaction fluff?
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 4:09AM axler said

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@SgtBaker1234556

right now all transactions involving real money are made through the players, not CCP.

if you sell a plex, you sell it to another player, not CCP, isk is not created from nothing, it is traded to you from another player.

same with the character bazar, you only trade with players, CCP does not create anything in the game, everything, even the characters you speak about, is created by the players, and traded amongst the players.

so there are no "typical" microtransactions or RMT in eve. The game just offers a bit more freedom when it comes to trading AMONGST PLAYERS

if the "typical" microtransactions were to be included that will no longer be the case, as CCP will be spawning shit up from nowhere which you will be able to buy for real money. The money will go to CCP, not another player.

right now all rl money paid to CCP goes to subscriptions (well and the char portrait or character transfer, but that is irrelevant for this discussion). Everything else you mentioned is trading between players.

So as you see eve has no "typical" microtransactions with which the company tries to fuck the players. Most of us would like to keep it that way.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:55PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@axler

Yet, you have to buy the plex somewhere - and CCP is the only (official) shop for it. And for the character, you have to pay your monthly to CCP while you train it. So I don't buy the "player-to-player" angle at all. CCP gets their cash from both PLEX and Characters. Oh and they also take a cut when you transfer the character to other account.

I just find it very amusing EVE players are bitching and rage qutting over microtransactions and cash-up fluff that is only cosmetic while buying things like characters or ships (things that give you real advantage in-game) is perceived as a complete non-issue.

It's funny.
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2011 2:24PM Valkesh said

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@Miffy
They already exist, they're just hidden behind the pageantry of the PLEX and mutli-boxing system. Sure, you can't open up an item shop and buy a new carrier. But people can, (and do, often) buy and sell enough PLEX to get that carrier. One of many reasons why Eve is a waste of potential.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2011 7:07PM KTrell said

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what is this nonsense?

"The CSM still isn't happy that microtransactions are being considered. We unanimously agree we would prefer a microtransaction-free EVE. ...
We have made it crystal clear that any items gained through microtransactions should not give any sort of competitive advantage, and CCP has assured us that this will absolutely be the case."

that is strange, i eman I can buy plex with real money and I can sell the plex for ISK to buy the best items. It is already in the game. what are they talking about? ohh boy

Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 4:13AM axler said

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@KTrell

As I said in my previous reply. that is trading with a player not CCP. that isk was actually created by another player, and you traded him a plex for it.

he will then use that plex for his game time. So you see CCP never created any isk from thin air, and they never recieved any money other then for subscription time.

the game therefore has no "typical" microtransactions, as all money goes to subscription time. What you spoke about is done completely amongst players.
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Posted: Jan 21st 2011 8:03PM Xilmar said

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"new executive producer CCP Zulu"

i know it might be a stupid question, but since when is CCP Zulu the exec producer? and the most important thing, what happened to Nathan?

Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:08AM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Xilmar

I think Zulu is the guy who actually does real work, rest of the awesome-boys sit there on their cloud9 and brainstorm their awesome ideas without any connection to reality at all.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:18AM Xilmar said

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@SgtBaker1234556

right...don't know if you actually realized what you were doing but you didn't really answer either question in your reply.

as a matter of fact your post is just a feeble attempt at sarcasm...ok, maybe a bit of a waste of time aswell. So if you have no idea what you're going on about, please refrain yourself from trolling.

Now off you go, grown ups are talking.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:10PM Meissa Anunthiel said

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@Xilmar
Nathan is still Exec Producer, what Dierdra meant was "Senior Producer", ie, replacing Torfi.

And yeah, we've had a much much better experience with CCP Zulu than with his predecessor.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:28PM Xilmar said

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@Meissa Anunthiel

cheers for that

yeah CCP Zulu seems to be quite good in the dev department...but in all fairness i'm sure it wasn't all CCP T0rfifrans' fault or anything...

anyway happy to hear nathan is still executive producer, thought be might have been sacked or something. don't have a crush or anything, but foe years he's been the one doing most interviews and everything, it would have been kinda weird if it was someone else.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 1:40PM Meissa Anunthiel said

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@Xilmar

It's never a single factor, but I know that CCP T0rfifrans was more closed and secretive than Zulu is. That and the fact that he was a LOT less present during CSM meetings, whereas Zulu is present the vast majority of the time. Now as far as what goes on when we're not around, I cannot say, but I know that when we are, one is objectively better than the other.

Also, whether it is associated with the general leadership is only guesswork, but we've made greater strides in terms of communication and understanding during CSM 5 than we have in all the other CSMs I was a member of.

As far as Nathan [CCP Oveur] goes, it's a popular game to bash him, but while we don't see eye to eye all of the time (understatement of the year), he couldn't be faulted for his position being inconsistent/illogical. My personal opinion was that we had very different experiences of what the game was like and our perspectives thus very different. And frankly, I welcome that as long as one does not discard the other's point of view without first considering it.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2011 10:22PM Xilmar said

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@Meissa Anunthiel

Even from the outside Zulu seems to be a lot more involved than T0frifrans was. More eager to open up to CSM might be more accurate actually. In any case it it's clear even from the published meeting minutes that CCP is starting to understand the immense benefit of having a centralized feedback channel from the general player base. Good to hear things are moving forward in the right direction.

Concerning Nathan's POVs, honestly it's better to have different opinions and views on each side of the table rather than everyone agreeing on just about everything. Might not be that fun for the people in the meetings, but in the long run the game has only to gain from a greater pool of ideas and beliefs.

And to be fair, the CSM's views are far from being universal. The same difference of experiences that you mentioned with Oveur applies to some players and their representatives as well. Not going into details now, but my point is that while the council might not care that much about, let's say carebears, CCP has to coz they're spending money on the game aswell. So keep in mind that his opinion about what the game is like might be wrong, but so might yours. Just saying, kind of an FYI.
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