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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:10PM Somnicide said

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@MMOaddict You say this, and yet one of the primary complaints for eastern games is the 'shitty lore'. Not saying that is the most important part, but it is a part.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:58PM MMOaddict said

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@Somnicide

I've never heard that argument. Ever. I've played every eastern MMO to date and the problem with them had nothing to do with Lore. It had to do with how your progressed through the game. It was all about party mechanics that hinder your leveling or boring long mob grind/shallow quest grind mechanics.

Leveling for me is best when I don't notice it. Good way to do this is dynamic content, like what GW2 and Rift will soon offer. Another way is to make the quest grind hidden in awesome epic storyline quests with great rewards, much Lotro has.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:58PM DancingCow said

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@MMOaddict

It's because they don't know.

Eg. the mystic class was originally called elementalist, due to a mistranslation. This was pointed out to them on their forums. Tthey ignored it. But eventually they got sick of people asking why elementalists had no fire/earth/air/water elemental spells and renamed them.

The Popori are another good example. Popori males are the cute furry animals seen in this article. Popori females are scantily clad nubile (human-like) girls.

And the immediate reaction of many westerners on seeing this is... well the male of the species are furry animals and the females are cute little girls so.... wtf?!

There is a completely non-sexual explanation for this arrangement but it's not immediately obvious and it has caused a fair bit of outrage to their western audience to whom it appears the game is presenting them with the nasty B word and the nasty P word.

There is nothing wrong with the male and female Popori as they are, but they do need to rethink how they present them to western audiences to prevent the misinterpretation and accompanying knee-jerk shock reaction.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 8:06PM mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb said

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@DancingCow
Which is why "Westernization" , specifically on the Popori / Elin "issue" needs to be more than Quest dialogue.

I guarantee you, the first time a serious journalist in "the real world" gets a gander at the Elin, that "P" word you mention is going to be up in a headline. And once that headline hits the serious news sites, EM/BH can kiss their x years of effort goodbye. NO-ONE is going to touch a game that includes that reputation. And sure as heck-fire there isn't a soccer mom in the Bible belt that would allow it into their home, either. =)

"Westernization" in this case, to address this specific issue, should include art assets as well as whatever else EM/BH has up their sleeve (which they seem reluctant to share, for whatever inexplicable mysterious reason) for the rest of the process.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 12:49AM Jade Effect said

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@mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb

You people are just making a mountain out of a non-issue. Just look at the dwarf race in Lineage 2. All the males are gruff, old guys, and all the females are cute little girls. Nobody bothers, nobody cares.
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 8:32PM DancingCow said

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@Jade Effect

You're being obtuse.

mxt and I both know - as clearly stated - that there's nothing untoward about the Popori. But we also know our culture and I've already seen the outrage that erupted on the Tera forums over this.

And checking again now for the first time in ages, I see that the previous "Popori" race forum has been renamed to "Popori and Elin". Mmmmm, almost like there was a problem with these two races appearing to be one and they felt the need to separate them....
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Posted: Jan 20th 2011 4:55PM DancingCow said

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@Fnights

No. It is exactly as I said.

Originally the race forums listed "Popori" for both male and female. And obviously in response to all the negative feedback, they've since relabelled it to "Popori and Elin"
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:27PM Utakata said

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"The Poporis are nature spirits-animals taken from the forest by the elin, who awaken them to sentience. They retain most of their animalistic qualities, including a childlike ignorance of common social niceties in favor of bluntness and brevity."

...this may also explain the extreme dimorphic disparities between the male and females. They wern't exactly a species as we know it to begin with. And took on their seperate forms because it's how they see themselves...becoming almost two seperate races.

I doubt they procreate in anything we understand as such either. Fasinating, Jim...

Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:40PM Jade Effect said

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@Utakata

The Elin and Popori are two distinct races grouped under the Popori banner.

From the Tera website,
http://www.tera-online.com/node/74

The popori nation is made up of two distinct races. The elin—small female humanoids—were created by the goddess Elinu out of her own divine essence. The popori are non-human beasts awakened to sentience by the elin.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:49PM Utakata said

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@Jade Effect

I'm not sure if Jade is telling I was on the right track with mmy observations...but thanks for sharing that info anyways. :)

Curious though, are both playable races?
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:33PM Jade Effect said

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"we're looking at the game as a whole and distinguishing what type of gameplay our players want and what kind of story will pull them in.. you feel that TERA was made for you."

I truly hope En Masse will have the latitude to customize the game to its intended audience.

Posted: Jan 18th 2011 6:38PM mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb said

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ok, so the title of the article is:

"
En Masse discusses TERA westernization
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and the portion of the article relevant to the title is:

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but as we westernize TERA, we're looking at the game as a whole and distinguishing what type of gameplay our players want and what kind of story will pull them in. Working with the development team, our bottom-line goal is to make sure that when you sit down to play, you feel that TERA was made for you.
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Which tells us, the future paying customer, exactly NOTHING about how TERA is being "Westernized" by BH/EM. Considering they have confirmed, already, that the client will have EXACTLY the same art assets, what's left?

The dialogue from NPC's? That's it? Same Tekken-style animations, same Korean MMO-style-weapons, armor, particle effects, cocktail dresses and peekaboo-panties.

Good stuff, very Westernized. And great reveal in that 1.5 sentences on topic.

/rolleyes
(Oh, and cue Somnicide fanboi defense in 3... 2...1....)

Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:05PM Drunken Irish Sniper said

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@mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb.
Yeah, I'm sure it would be great if they turned every character into a Master Chief style Space Marine and every weapon into a Sniper Rifle.

Just the quests are being westernized, that's obvious to me and I have hardly even been following this game.

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It's not like Massively or anything Joystiq related is known for it's great writers.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:09PM mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb said

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@Drunken Irish Sniper
Remarkably, there is an immensely vast gray area between "Cocktail-Dress-With-Peekaboo-Panties in High Heels" and "Master Chief Space Machine with a Sniper Rifle."

Within that gray area would be a good starting point, for "Westernizing" the game. ;)

And if ONLY the Quests are being Westernized, then BH/EM should state that explicitly so customers can make an informed decision. So far, haven't seen a developer post or press release confirming that.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:15PM Somnicide said

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@mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb Insert fanboi defense here?

Dont know what you expect me to say... You seem to have a firm grip on the only thing YOU consider to be westernization so......carry on?
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Posted: Jan 19th 2011 2:59PM paterah said

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@mxt4347564czjv00q9w9qb1tppfr46hb Westernization doesn't include changing the core of the game idiot. Just look for another game if you don't like this one nobody forced you to play it.
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:10PM Zantom said

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Note to Eastern developers making Western games:

Besides text and VO translations here is some simple tips:

1. Give me Keybindings!
2. Give me WSAD movement!
3. Allow me to turn OFF click to move!

That is my starting list anyway...

Posted: Jan 18th 2011 7:19PM Somnicide said

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@Zantom
1. Everything is keybinded.
2. Movement is WASD.
3. The mouse is the camera, and left click is a skill. You cant actually click the ground, so clicking to move is N/A.

Have you looked up TERA at all?
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Posted: Jan 18th 2011 8:16PM wagonfactor said

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westernizing = the art of watering down and dumbing down a certain product/idea/anything so dumb americans can understand it.

no... im not being "racist". im 100% average white guy. ive just done my homework on all things cultural, spiritual, and extra terrestrial

Posted: Jan 18th 2011 8:50PM 220683 said

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Why do some people think the entire female in plate bikini concept comes from Asian MMOs? Am I wrong in thinking the entire thing originated from typical high fantasy settings? Just grab yourself a copy of Heavy Metal and flip through it, it doesn't need westernization because it originate from the west.

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