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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:09PM DemonXaphan said

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Well have to congratulate the players for conjuring enough votes to make it so, but STO was never the best of this years releases.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:10PM Mr Angry said

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All the results mean to me is that in all probability someone/thing gamed the system to promote one game over another (given the magnitude of the wins), happens all the time with contests, doesn't make STO any better of a game. Surprised that the fact that that the system is open for exploitation was not mentioned either when results were posted or in this opinion piece.

I would expect Massively to put a little more thought into the process of voting for future polls, as people are losing confidence in the accuracy of some results of polls and the like. Interesting piece, but if this is the high point of MMO's in 2010, I'm glad I largely took a year off.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:51PM aurickle said

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@Mr Angry
Let's not forget that one of Massively's staff proclaimed "Hello Kitty Online" as the best MMO of the DECADE. Seriously. (http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/01/05/massively-staff-picks-for-2010-and-the-decade/)

I read Massively for MMO news. As soon as they move into opinion territory, I tend to skip to the next article.

Any "best of" voting is little more than a compilation of opinions. In order for these opinions to have any real merit, all people voting would have needed to have actually played every offering that's being voted on. Since that is never the case, all voting is going to be biased even without mobilization tactics on the part of any one player base.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 5:47PM (Unverified) said

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@aurickle Considering that the Eliot guy here claims FF14 as the best MMO of 2010, that doesn't surprise me. "Best of" lists are only good for a few laughs, and the ones here would fill a theater in 30 seconds.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:17PM Goldwarf said

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If STO is the year's best MMO, then it was truly a sad, pathetic year for MMOs.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:17PM Tom in VA said

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Which MMO has the most mobilized fan/poll voter base?

STO

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Kidding aside, I think STO is a pretty decent game, and it certainly *has* gotten better. I do think STO is pretty deeply lacking in terms of quest quality and content, and I'd rather they'd offered a few predesigned crew members (with associated quests, actual personalities, and dialog) in addition to the bridge officer robots that you obtain in game. If the much-older Guild Wars knew how to make a decent NPC party member, you'd think Cryptic could have as well. But they didn't.

The Star Trek franchise basically works for me because of interesting episodes and crew character development -- two things conspicuously absent in STO. The addition of the Foundry may address (in part) the first issue, at least.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:34PM J Brad Hicks said

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Check the Foundry Roadmap document, on the forums: the Foundry is scheduled to get the ability to branch missions to more than one path or more than one outcome eventually, but doesn't have it yet.

For all its flaws, Star Trek Online is an amazing design, and it's clearly here for the long haul. People who complain about what features it doesn't have yet need to remember that when EVE Online went live, it was barely more than a 3D interface to TradeWars: profitability, lack of debt, and a vision to grow into are more important in the long run than any individual checklist item.

On the other hand, it's now been several months since the last 'weekly" episode. And the character classes just aren't all that different from each other, so it's not a game with great replay value, the way WoW or CoH are. For the last several weeks, I've found myself amazingly bored with it. They need to use The Foundry as it now stands to get new content out there, stat: even more than the flaws in its ground combat design, right now Star Trek Online is suffering the most from lack of stuff to do. But, then, that's half the point of The Foundry: better content creation tools mean that not only can players create content, but the writers can create content faster (and cheaper) than they could before. So I'm not crying doom. I'm just saying: Star Trek Online is an already vaguely fun game with great days ahead of it.

And that's more than you can say for ANY other game that came out in 2010, it seems to me.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 7:12PM Graill440 said

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@J Brad Hicks

While i detest EVE now and its CCP devs for obvious reasons, you compare STO to it, hinting that STO even holds a candle to what EVE has accomplished? I remember EVE from day one, STO has nothing on it in any way in comparison, from day one or day 10,000.

And your quote, while taken out of context slightly and realizing this is only your opinion, made my jaw drop, "For all its flaws, Star Trek Online is an amazing design, and it's clearly here for the long haul"

Great googly moogly, you actually believe that? I salute your confidence sir.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:40PM Idle said

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Just goes to show that comment trolls can't be trusted for reliable state-of-the-game information, maybe?

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:40PM LiquidElectron said

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The Foundry going live will probably bring me back to it for a while.

As far as the branching options thing, I have seen at least one developer state that it will be possible but it's not yet enabled because it seems to break too many important things. So it'll come.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:42PM Ocho said

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Jeez. C'mon guys. Just because STO isn't your favorite MMO doesn't mean that the 5000+ people who voted for it were doing so by accident.

The game has improved considerably since its release, and the fact it came out in February and has had 11 months to improve and fix the half-baked release means that it had a lot more exposure. Although its not my number 1, it won't get out of my gaming rotation for quite a while. And in a year of awful releases and copycat games, STO stands recognizable. Its the only MMO I've played that runs with episodic content. Thats what Star Trek is, really, and why we loved the series. You get full fledged episodes in shorter periods of time. STO delivers that nicely.

WoW has its battlegrounds, LoRO has its Epic Story, STO has its episodes.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:54PM Notturno said

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@Ocho

That's the exact problem; it wasn't "5,000+ people" voting for Star Trek Online, it was a polling system that allowed one person to vote numerous times throughout the week or two the polls were open. Casual readers like myself voted in the polls once, while it's horrifically obvious that some people voted as many times as possible. This system made opinions like mine, which were only submitted once, count for a whole lot less than someone who voted every single day, thus having their opinion submitted 10+ times. The fact of the matter is that the polling is not accurate; it does not reflect the opinions of the Massively community, it is skewed irreparably because of the rules established by the polling software.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 3:23PM Ocho said

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@Notturno

But one point remains valid here: everyone had the same opportunity to vote numerous times. Thus making every option still equal. Its not like they said "only STO fans could vote multiple times". So, if it was still equal, then how did they all succeed, and if this were truly the case, why were so many people throwing multiple votes for "None of the Above"?! How many people REALLY wanted "None of the Above" to win?!

Harken it to the way they vote for the All-Star Game or any other sporting event where the "fans" choose. You're allowed to vote, usually, up to 50 times per e-mail account online for All-Star picks. Does this make the team picked one thats not fair? For those Dancing with the Stars/American Idol, etc. voting there are loopholes to vote multiple times as well. Either way, there is an equal footing for each voter.

How could it have been done more fair.... what if we voted for our favorite Massively author to make the single vote for us, with different authors holding more votes than others? Like a Massively Electoral College? I jest, but really... if every choice has just as much of a shot of winning as others, even with multiple voting, how is it unfair?

Either way, it really is just a simple internet poll and doesn't hold more sway than its given and its far from scientific, but I still don't think the results lie.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 3:35PM Aganazer said

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@Notturno

To make an accusation like that you had better be 100% sure that the poll system doesn't log IP addresses because its a lot harder to duplicate that many votes on a system like that rather than one that simply checks cookies. So, are you sure, or are you just making stuff up that you don't know anything about?
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 4:56PM Stellar25 said

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@Ocho All-Star games are not a good analogy. They are simply popularity contests that ignore whether or not someone is having a good statistical year. There have been players voted into All-Star games that did not even play that year (or close to it).
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Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:49PM PaterFrog said

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I personally do play STO, just started a week ago. And I'm already bored enough that I can't really move myself to stay longer than half an hour in the game a day. Seriously, who voted on it being the best MMO 2010?

I mean, I love the character detail, character creation is powerful too, though there aren't nearly enough hairstyles and clothings. Well, I guess it's trekky.

Dunno nuthing 'bout da launch.
Guess there wasn't much that could go wrong and didn't go wrong, from what I heard and read anyway, except maybe they meant that there was no lag or something, but that's one piece of the whole. I fear I don't really understand people anymore.

The quests truly are nothing but a grind grind grind [echoes out] and I almost died yesterday when I fell off my chair after falling asleep doing a single quest.

If that kind of crafting is second best, then I guess the future looks grim.
I would give you reasons, but the whole thing speaks for itself.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:49PM Seldra said

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While I would not vote for STO as best MMO for 2010, I certainly would give it the "Most Improved."

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:50PM SocksForYou said

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Mediocre game but considering how terrible most new MMOs are, it wasn't all that bad.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:51PM Lucid Renegade said

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The web page for STO has the "win" plastered all over their front page. What a joke.

Posted: Jan 6th 2011 2:58PM Azimn said

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"STO would die in a fire" take that by Beau Hindman!!
Also I just want to add I like/play STO soooooo go TREK!!!!

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