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Posted: Dec 19th 2010 6:33PM axler said

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Like any other game, once it grew, It got bots and rmt.

Best part is, in eve, pvp has consequences. You blow someone up...his ship does not re-spawn...he drops everything.

So unlike other games, in eve, you can at least get some satisfaction in blowing up the bots :D

Posted: Dec 19th 2010 11:47PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@axler

Ever tried? It's damn hard.
The bots are configured to warp off to their staging POS as soon as someone enters local - it's extremely hard to catch them as they don't have "human weaknesses". Using a cheat that masks you on local or doing multiple logoff traps are pretty much the only way to catch them.

And let's say you kill couple of them... the owner is swimming in ISK, chances are he could afford a supercap fleet of ratting bots - he's not going to lose any sleep over a lost Golem or two.

In the end, you're the only one spending time and getting frustrated over it.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2010 8:21PM Scuffles said

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The thing that RMT has always signified to me isn't as much a "problem" per say as it has conveyed a stigma.

Where PlayerA has worked for their gear PlayerB went to some shady website and circumvented the whole work for gear aspect of it.

The reason why there is still RMT in EvE even tho they have Plex is simple. The people selling the ISK don't want Plex they want Money. So why not give people the ability to cash out Plex.

Not for the full amount mind you say 60-75% of its purchase value. I would think something to that end would aid in driving under the RMT sites. Gives CCP a cut of the transaction so in theory all parties are satisfied.

course I'm not sure what people are paying on these RMT sites for the ISK it would have to be somewhat comparable not too high but just enough to make CCPs deal better. With horrifying punishments dealt out to those caught using or running such sites. Botting especially.

I mean what it essentially seems to boil down to is CCP admits RMT will always be a part of the game but they want to control it. So why not pull in the RMTrs fully under your wing. It also gives you a good place to look for bot Activity. If a few dozen accounts regularly turn in Plex for Cash they would be an obvious place to start following up on possible bot activity.

Posted: Dec 20th 2010 7:43AM Dutzu said

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@Scuffles "So why not give people the ability to cash out Plex."
I don't understand, cash out where? Who would pay those ppl the money?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2010 10:20AM Scuffles said

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CCP would be paying out the money and holding on to at least 40% of it as essentially a transaction and processing "fee". Meaning that people who farm for ISK legitimately (EG no bots exploits etc) could then trade that to players for Plex and further trade that Plex back to CCP for a decent percentage of its face value.

They have already said to the gamers "Here is a legitimate way for you to RMT in which CCP receives the money".

Why not say to the RMTrs "here is a legitimate way in which you can make money off your time in our game in which CCP recieves a healthy percentage".

That way there is simply no "convenient" excuse not to go through CCP.

Tho they might want to start something like "NeoPlex" as so they do not have to honor all the Plex that has already been Sold and is Otherwise locked in game. As it could be potentially devistating for them as a company if people were to cash in their existing stockpiles of normal Plex.

Might give NeoPlex some benefits over Plex like
*Tiered Pricing
*Can't be transported there by can not be destroyed or stolen
*Is stored at in game CCP run banks and can be instantly transferred to others in secure trades for ISK/Gear or to CCP for money regardless of the players location in the Universe. (Gear still ends up somewhere physically in the game)

The drawback to which might be that at a cost/benefit rato NeoPlex ends up being slightly more expensive than just buying Plex and in the end only gives the same 30 day subscription extension.

Arbitrary number time, Say Plex is ~$13 NeoPlex would be ~$15-$16

That doesn't mean CCP just ignores Bots they would need to ride them even harder than they do now. They should be doing that anyhow so its somewhat of a non issue.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2010 9:39PM Jade Effect said

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Quoted from the article:
" Since the ISK that players buy through PLEX is acquired in-game through ordinary means, it also doesn't contribute to the rapid introduction of ISK into the game and so hasn't got the same inflationary pressure on the value of an ordinary player's ISK"

This is the silly fantasy world alot of players live in: evil RMT sweatshop companies use game-harming bots to farm ISK, while nice guy Player#4228 use ordinary means to farm ISK.

Posted: Dec 19th 2010 11:24PM Dblade said

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@Jade Effect Completely agree, it's way too easy to demonize RMT when the players often do as much if not more of macro ISK farming.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2010 11:35PM Brendan Drain said

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@Jade Effect The average player (even one who buys PLEX for ISK) does not engage in botting, spamming or anything else that has the negative problems I wrote about in the article.

It's well known that several major alliances make a shedload of ISk from botting or renting their space to botting corps. As I said in the article, it's the botting that causes the major problems described. As you rightly pointed out (and I orioginally stated), use of macros is not restricted to just RMT suppliers.

Many of the other problems, such as ISK-spamming and account hackings, however, ARE symptoms of RMT and are not prevalent among ordinary players. While bots do represent a major problem in EVE, RMT contributes to botting AND other issues.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2010 12:04AM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Brendan Drain

You can also separate the two (botting and RMT that is).

CCP allows you to pay for your subscription with ISK - leave a bot running for a day and go to work -> Free EVE for 6 months. Leave the bot running for a while -> replacement supercap when you need it. Or a high-sp alt. Or whatever you desire in-game. A lot of "average players" do this, because EVE PvE (which is the only way to make ISK) is rather tedious (i.e. grinding sactuaries 23/7 - yawn). Your ISK will not be tainted by RMT so you can concentrate on the "fun" parts of EVE.

Then there are those who sell in order to earn RL income. That's a different lot, but I guess the line in between is easy to cross.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2010 10:25AM Scuffles said

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In the end Its primarily the company just being mad because someone else is profiting from their game and not them. I somewhat Commend CCP for acknowledging RMT and the fact that it will never go away and to some extent legitimizing and embracing it.

They just need to take it a step or two further.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2010 12:55AM (Unverified) said

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"Of all the problems described earlier in this article, the most disruptive ones seem to be solved by the PLEX stystem."

However, the PLEX system also provides a massive incentive for black market RMT. Remember, you have three choices:

1) Subscribe for $15/month
2) Make enough money in-game to buy PLEX and play for free
3) Spend about $6/month buying black-market ISK and use that to buy PLEX

Effectively, the PLEX system offers you the opportunity to play the game for less than half price if you're willing to wear the risk of buying on the black market.

Posted: Dec 20th 2010 4:30AM Rodj Blake said

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PLEX was meant to solve the RMT problem, but it clearly hasn't.

What it's done instead is allow people to legitimately use RL cash to buy an in-game advantage.

That's not good.

Posted: Dec 20th 2010 9:12AM Bramen said

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Cash rich players can buy a PLEX. Which means the isk bot farmers are playing for free too. Man, this problem is comPLEX. (Couldn't resist)

Posted: Dec 21st 2010 4:18AM esraven said

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I missed in EvE a feature to automate boring tasks.
That is also the reason I have quit EvE after playing it for years. Too much repetition of the same tasks over and over again and too much micromanagement. The main reason, i stayed so long in EvE is because of the corp live in there.

In real live, I always try to automate dull tasks which rely on a repetition of the same tasks. And yes, I also tried to get rid of those dull tasks in EvE by macroing. Getting things done by automation is for me more challenging then doing the same handwork over and over again.

When I am in VL, I want to have fun, do challenging tasks. The last thing I want to do is dull bandwork to get some ingame currencies.

Why not integrate automation as in real live. Make it a kind of product you can buy in-game, with varying possibilities in building compex tasks.

In EvE, you are flying in highly sofisticated universe, but still you need to rely on hand work for doing basic tasks. What a paradox!

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