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Posted: Dec 15th 2010 6:31PM Higurashi said

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I have played a lot of bad MMOs in my life, but Alganon is THE biggest piece of crap I have ever played. This sorry excuse for a WOW ripoff is insulting. People have no idea what a WOW clone truly is until you play Alganon.


Posted: Dec 15th 2010 6:41PM cowboyhugbees said

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So... Flower for Alganon then?

(insert groan)

Posted: Dec 15th 2010 9:37PM Nephilim said

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I laughed.. brought back memories of my childhood :D
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Posted: Dec 15th 2010 10:21PM Pingles said

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I am no Derek Smart hater but his choice of words is delightfully entertaining.

Posted: Dec 15th 2010 10:36PM Beau Hindman said

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@Pingles I understand that the hip thing is to giggle any time the guy speaks, but what it has to do with my article about how far Alganon has come, I have no idea.

The fact is Alganon was much improved. I know, because I played it quite a bit and still do. If he was in charge, why wouldn't we assume that what he says about leadership is true? He gives his shout outs to the team, but he's not touchy-feely.

Developers are treated like politicians: they speak their mind and they're crazy or a jerk....they say nothing and people hate em for non-communication. I simply get a thrill when he tells trolls to bugger off on the forums! :)
Beau
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 1:48PM SocksForYou said

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@Beau Hindman

It doesn't have to do with being "hip." He's a highly vocal and...quirky developer who makes games of dubious quality, to put it kindly.

People constantly giggle at Uwe Bolle for similar reasons. Is that so perplexing?
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 1:52PM Beau Hindman said

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@SocksForYou What's perplexing is why someone would take the time to bring that up in my comments section, when the article is about the state of Alganon and it's place in indie gaming.

I completely understand why people want to go out of their way to leave a comment that completely derails the topic, but that doesn't make it a better choice.

Beau
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 2:15PM Pingles said

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@Beau Hindman

There are ways to speak and write. Many of them get the message across just fine without anyone noticing anything out of the ordinary.

However, one can also choose ways which are purposely written to ignite strong responses.

My initial post above was meant to point out that Mr. Smart seems to throw caution to the wind when responding. Perhaps that is the reason for his reputation.

I didn't mean to derail the comments. As I said earlier, I have no problem with him, I was just surprised at how he chose to respond considering his reputation.
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 3:41PM SocksForYou said

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@Beau Hindman

I don't think what Pingles said was particularly inflammatory, or off-topic. He wrote one sentence commenting on Smart's responses in this interview.

It was very, very tame and you responded to that by launching into a defense of Alganon/Smart.

Meanwhile, the good doctor himself is ranting at his critics in your comments section.
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 4:47PM Beau Hindman said

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@SocksForYou I was commenting on all of the responses the thread had before, pretty much all of them not staying on topic. I connected it to Pingles so it would stay in the "area" of the comments section it should have, and at the time in the conversation it should have.

If you re-read what I put, I am not launching into any defense but simply stating what is happening. Mr. Smart's comments have nothing to do with mine. Please, I understand that you have issue with him -- all I am asking is for you to stay on topic.

Beau
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Posted: Dec 16th 2010 12:55AM (Unverified) said

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"If they were claiming it today, I'd just laugh because they clearly haven't played the game lately."

Well, actually, NOBODY has played the game lately. Do a /who and you'll see that this is true.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 1:55AM Elmarolly said

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Having been one of the sorry ass people that have played the game since beta and still log on from time to time. Yes some things have changed and the game has got better. But it is still is a WOW clone. Sure they changed the interface and changed this and that. But more and more things were added to make it feel like playing WOW.

Yes it has some features that are different. But not enough to make it stand out from any of the other games. Graphics are quite nice in some spots and in others you have to shake you head and wonder what the hell?.

I actually laughed out loud when I read that they advertised in PC Gamer. Do gamers still read print that they can get from stores?. I guess some still do. Maybe spend that money on REAL ads that could get to more gamers that do not like to see the sun. "points to herself"

The game had a strong following for players that were willing to stick it out through thick and thin. It was not until the BULLY HAMMER came crashing down and we could not speak what was wrong with the game or what could be changed to make it a more appealing game to gamers. Almost all the followers are gone because of the "if you can not say anything good about the game, then don't say anything at all attitude."

So this talk about "catering to those who like and play your game." and "you simply can't afford to disregard the pre-existing gamers while pursuing others who may or may not even like your game."

I am sure I left a puddle of pee under my chair from laughing so hard. REALLY?. Tell that to the very many followers of the game that Smrt pissed off with his ego. And no those followers were not trolls. They were gamers that really really wanted the game to succeed. I could go on and on about smrt but his ego does not need it. And plus with his Google alerts that he has it must warm his heart to see his name in them alerts.

Sorry Beau as long as Smrt is the mouth piece for QOL you will always get crap comments like mine and from others. You do realize that if Tork was still at QOL or heck anyone that was half assed decent at dealing with people, almost all of the followers would still be there along with many many other gamers.

Because we were treated with some respect and could say how to improve the game in well though out comments. Not treated like some key puching monkey.

Anyhow, the game is still decent for somewhat free to play and yes worth the $20.00. But sadly like it has been said. There really is no one playing the game anymore. If you are lucky you will catch 5 to 10 players online at one time at peak hours for both the UK and North America.

Never mind the auction house. Most times it has NO items in it or there are maybe 10 items that are useless to others in the game.

Oh well. Maybe this "big" PVP Tourny will get more gamers to come over and play the improved wow clone. But I have my doubts.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 5:28AM Zuljundwumn said

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Well, I think Derek has done some pretty good management since he came, but it's true his choice of words are indeed entertaining.
Like how everything is about "I did this" and "My work that".

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 5:43AM dsmart said

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Just before this article went online, I wrote an extensive first dev blog which goes into a lot more detail about where we are with Alganon today. You can check it out here:

http://www.qol.com/blog/?p=233

@Elmarolly

Every forum for every game or media outlet has its share of problems. Those problems are compounded by the fact that there are a lot of anti-social misfits running around loose taking out their angst and disrupting said forums. This is no different from hackers doing what they do just for the heck of it, people who write and spread viruses for kicks, those who engage in direct defamatory and cyberbullying actions for giggles etc.

In short, we can't please everyone.

But what we can do is whatever moderation we deem necessary in order to preserve the integrity of the forums as well as the quality of the conversations that take place there. That is our small corner of the lawless frontier which we have absolute control over.

For every person that complaints about stringent rules, there are maybe two or three who feel that they are being stiffled, wronged etc. Quite frankly, I simply don't care. All over the net, it is widely known that our forums over at 3000AD are one of the most tame and secure gaming forums around. The reason is simple: we don't tolerate crap and the type of gamers that we want to attract and keep, appreciate that stance. So they stick around. It has been that way since day one. So while you and your ilk are crying foul, life goes on, the games get played, discusssed etc.

If anyone wants to take out their angst or excercise their rights to rant, rave and otherwise carry out disruptive behavior, they can take their pennies and go do it somewhere else. We don't care.

Rules and guidelines are constructed for a specific reason. You may not like them but there they are.

The Alganon forums are rife with various complaints, all of which we tackle head on, diffuse and/or engage. If you can't put two comprehensible sentences together or write up an articulate post expressing your problem and opinions without being defamatory, rude or disrespectful, you have no business posting there. So don't. You're not the type of gamer we're looking for. And if you don't leave, you'll just get banned. It's not like anyone is related to my mother's first cousin on her sisters side, so we have to think twice about banning some anonymous and inconsequential tool or we won't get invited to Sunday dinner.

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA), protects ISPs and forum operators and absolves them of any and all responsiblities related to what people post online. Most take advantage of that and the end result are forums that are no more than a lawless frontier of virtual anarchy. Most of us don't go to those forums and don't care if they exist or not. Some forum operators do moderate their forums. Guess why that is? Yes, because they realize that, for the most part, it only takes one idiot to taint an otherwise decent and informative forum. And if you want to attract a certain group of gamer demographic, there is no point in catering to the lowest common denominator - unless your business model holds anti-social behavior in the highest esteem and thus profitability relies on the power of incessant and infantile noise.

If you think you have the right to exercise your otherwise misplaced Free Speech -and at will - on someone's forum - try this: do it at home and within earshot of your favorite pet, neighbor, the postman or whoever. Or better yet, go post on NeoGaf, the WoW forums or wherever like minded misfits tend to congregate - largely unchecked. Just don't do it on our forums. Understood?

And FYI, the game is F2P - as in Free To Play. You don't need to spend $20 to play it. The auction house and Tribute store have quite a few items that people, believe it or not, are buying. Flooding them with useless items is not part of our gameplan. If you need it, then it is most likely in the store or at a vendor. If someone makes something you don't want, don't cry about it. Go make something you do want.

All of this just goes to show how people will throw anything out there,regardless of whether or not it has any basis in reality or not.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

If you don't like the community, don't go there.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 5:50AM dsmart said

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@ Zuljundwumn

It is about taking responsibility whether things are good, bad or ugly. I never have, don't and never will pass the buck.

Specifically those parts in my blog and interviews were designed to send a clear message about who did what, where and how at QOL and with Alganon. I have a reason for that and if its not obvious, then perhaps I did a terrible job of articulating it. Either that or the reader can't comprehend what exactly it is I am getting at.

As an example, some who are no longer with the company were trying to take credit wherever and whenever for a bunch of things that they neither had a hand in nor was ever involved in. For the most part, that's padding your resume.

To this day, that trend continues. All this despite the fact that the investors who own the company, the team that built the game - and myself who first saw it all from the outside looking in - know otherwise. I think if you read my QOL blog, it will be obvious why I took this stance.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 9:17AM Dogorox said

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Nevermind, just read the his responses to others comments here. It's not just me. Well Mr. Smart, I'm sure you'll be glad to know that I won't be checking out your game after all. Maybe in your quest to be more like WoW you should also include your forums. Blizzard's are full of whiners, crybabies and trolls and yet they seem to be kicking the crap numbers-wise out of the rest of the genre just fine.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 12:03PM Elmarolly said

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"If you think you have the right to exercise your otherwise misplaced Free Speech -and at will - on someone's forum - try this: do it at home and within earshot of your favorite pet, neighbor, the postman or whoever. Or better yet, go post on NeoGaf, the WoW forums or wherever like minded misfits tend to congregate - largely unchecked. Just don't do it on our forums. Understood?"

Take your own advise tough guy. And you wonder why you are the most laughed at deveolper in the game industry.





Posted: Dec 16th 2010 12:39PM dsmart said

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@ Elmarolly

Between the Alganon forums, here, MMORPG (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3962210) and pretty much everywhere else, you're painting the perfect picture of why you and your ilk are everything that is wrong with gaming today.

But to each his own; so do carry on.

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 12:45PM Elmarolly said

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Ok, what ever tough guy. Out of respect for Beau I will not continue this childish forum games on his article. Do the same. UNDERSTOOD?.. see what I did there?

Posted: Dec 16th 2010 2:36PM malakhi70 said

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Unfortunately for Alganon ways to improve the game were posted on the forums only to be removed. I bear witness to this. These may have been misconstrued as negative forum posts. The bottom line was, the negative unhelpful part of the post should have been omitted by the forum mod, and the informative part should have been left in the forum, taken and discussed and possibly worked on in order to improve the game. If the forum moderator doesn't want to listen to the negatives, how can they turn them into positives? Which ultimately equals greater cashflow.

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