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Posted: Dec 9th 2010 5:30PM Graill440 said

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I say NOT. A boisterous claim to a game constantly fluffing subscriber numbers and people eat this BS up. They say it so it must be so....pathetic.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 5:58PM Nhoj1983 said

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20 years is too much... 10 years? Maybe. I don't beleave that Blizzard is as untouchable as many say. Sure up until no nothing else as sparked the masses like WoW but just because it hasn't happened as of yet doesn't mean it won't. Don't get me wrong it's a good game but if it's really true that Blizzard is the only company that can make good mmos the market is in a sad sad state. I'll throw out one dev's name that I trust. Arenanet. Yes it is an offshoot of Blizzard but it's still it's own animal.

I'm not looking for the WoW killer I'm looking for the WoW competitor.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 6:07PM badpenny said

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Guild wars 2 will be a better game than wow, I can only hope that it becomes more popular as a result.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 6:59PM Nellie said

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@BrockObama911

Actually, Blizzard didn't release the first-day sales numbers for Wrath until one week after release. There's no reason to expect numbers this week, let alone take the lack of info as some sort of sign of doom.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 8:33PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said

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I am sure that I saw the same comment made about Leisure Suit Larry back in the 1980s.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 8:58PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@BrockObama911

Remember what you said about nothing said online has any merit without proof? ;) So....WoW is dying because....? Oh, that's right, because it isn't/wasn't popular and it's just a hype machine to make it popular because people buy into herd mentality....which would mean it is popular, then? Wait, which is it? Your arguments suggest both.

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 10:29PM PrimeSynergy said

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Can't argue with this assumption at all. I think the only thing that will beat Blizzard at their own game is themselves.

Blizzard is like Google. Everything they do is engineered so close to 'perfection' and to reach the broadest audience possible, but at the same time they never forget their core consumers.

WoW is not only as big as it is because it's a good game. it runs on damn near every system out there, it looks great, sounds great, is easy enough for your children and parents to understand and deep enough for you to get engrossed in.

For any MMO to be bigger, Dave Solari summed it up nice. It has to be bigger. It has to aim for more people. Being good is just not the same as reaching a broad audience. Sorry GW2 fans. I have no doubt in my mind it will be a good game. In fact, I'm waiting for them to announce a release date just so I can preorder it. However, nothing about it at all says 'mass market appeal.'

Whether you hate WoW or love it, you cannot deny it is easily one of the most significant games to ever come out and will continue to be significant for years to come.

(As a side note, Pachter deserves no hate. If you've ever watched him on GT or seen him speak, he makes bold claims and predictions, but their not grounded in fiction. WoW came out 6 years ago and has continued to dominate the market since. If nothing has even scratched it at this point, there's nothing to point against the idea this game could last another 20 years. Also on the Pachter thing, he has no problems admitting when he's wrong. He's an analyst, he's wrong sometimes. His job is to look at charts and data and make predictions on the future of whatever it is he's looking at. You can't fault him for that.)

Posted: Dec 12th 2010 10:37AM strik said

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@PrimeSynergy
wow looks nice?!?, give me the stuff you are smoking please,
people get boring even after 10 years playing the same old grind stuff trust me, and as someone told before the game its not friendly for new gamers.
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Posted: Dec 13th 2010 1:34PM PrimeSynergy said

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@strik Tell me, what's bad about it? It doesn't look as good as Aion or Tera or something so it automatically looks bad? Or does it look too cartoonish and any game that looks cartoonish has bad graphics?

It may not look the greatest from a technical standpoint, but it obviously doesn't look as bad as you make it seem considering players and press alike still praise it this day.

And people get bored playing the same game for 10 years? You're right, that's why they shut down EQ1, Ultima Online. and the original Lineage. That's why there's no more pro CS1.6, 3rd Strike, etc tournaments anymore right? People get bored after 10 years so it only makes sense.

Not friendly to new players? My roommate's friend sat down and played WoW - the first time she even touched an MMO - and played on my friend's priest. She was running a dungeon after half an hour.

Half the people at my university, who don't play games, play or have played WoW. Most of them attribute it to the fact its easy to jump into.

This game has more 'older' people playing it than any other single game in the world. Grandparents, parents, siblings, etc who don't play games are playing this. I'm pretty sure if this was even the slightest bit hard for newcomers, that older demographic would not be playing.

I don't know who told you it was hard to jump into, but tell them to read the tutorial next time. I'm positive that 8-9 million people still left playing WoW aren't super geniuses.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2010 1:08AM i2hellfire said

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@BrockObama911 the only one seen eating shit is you talking out your ass.

Posted: Dec 10th 2010 5:26AM Bongo123 said

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@cray

are you people children? wow is not dying, anyone with half a wit and any savvy can tell that it'll be around for a long time to come.. i really dont get this wow is dying brigade, its a game

Posted: Dec 10th 2010 11:59AM KDolo said

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Cryptic's Jack Emmert is also an idiot.

Posted: Dec 10th 2010 12:18PM toothball said

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This game isn't going to stop until Blizzard decides they are tired of it...

Posted: Dec 10th 2010 1:58PM JoeH42 said

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What will overthrow WoW? Hubris.

Posted: Dec 12th 2010 10:30AM strik said

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@Aganazer
nice and serious post here, trolling about cataclysm sell more than previous ones its a battling troll
as for the second sentence its the sad true about wow for new players , its a desert and not really friendly, then the automatic LFG system turned the wow maps a solo rpg's

Posted: Dec 13th 2010 9:00PM (Unverified) said

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I notice BrockObama deleted his posts saying "Cataclysm hasn't sold well, that's why they're not announcing sales figures for it". Guess that looked like a pretty stupid thing to have said, once the sales figures were announced, and it turns out to be the fastest selling PC game in history.

Posted: Dec 14th 2010 1:23PM Amaxe said

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The article seems to overlook the possibility of WoW declining from within. 20 years is a long time. What happens if the people who made WoW great move on or run out of ideas? What if they keep getting more and more cutesy and pop-art to the point of alienating the player base?

Not saying this will happen. But it might happen and if so, these projections of lasting 20 years goes out the window.

Posted: Dec 14th 2010 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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20 years? Let's see, looking back to the big computer games of 1990, how many of them are still major forces today? How many people even remember what games were big then? I do because I was an avid gamer even then, and I can tell you that save but a few franchises, they're all long dead and buried.

The MMO landscape will look so different in ten years, much less 20, that it'll be hard to really guess what it will be like. People who say that WoW is just EQ reskinned or made easier must have never actually played EQ, and WoW and UO couldn't be any more different. So, too, will the next innovation in the MMO space. It might be Blizzard, but it won't be WoW.

Posted: Dec 14th 2010 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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I haven't read through all the comments yet so I don't know if this has been pointed out yet. Warcraft was one of the first original titles by Blizzard entertainment, and through its three iterations of the game, were able to build a rich fantasy world that has since exploded. The Warcraft strategy games were/are the foundation of WoW. With that foundation being so intensely popular at the time and having really only one other game in the genre to contend with (Command and Conquer) it was the perfect lead in to an MMO.

The other half of this equation is Blizzard's other two original titles, StarCraft and Diablo. The reputation of Blizzard as a gaming company had already started to skyrocket well before WoW was introduced. This gave Blizzard a strong following and guaranteed numbers at the release of WoW.

Couple all of that with the great foresight of the designers at Blizzard and you have the current version of World of Warcraft with it's 12 million subscribers.

Diablo and WarCraft helped establish Blizzard in their early days. StarCraft brought them to the level of most respected gaming company. WarCraft III was created with the direct idea that it would lead in to their MMO. Everything Blizzard does is more then just making money. StarCraft is proof that the designers care more about the quality of their games, all the revenue is simply a result of their abilities to put together great games, games that even after a decade are still fun to play.

Posted: Dec 14th 2010 1:54PM (Unverified) said

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The Cata expansion lays a foundation for another 4 years of WOW dominance.

How? Well the original had a 1 M subs foundation.

TBC topped this, Wotlk topped TBC and CATA topped TBC in the same order for its first 24 hours sales.

Blizzard upped the standards and - most important - they created a bigger base (yet again) this very winter with NEW (read this ) NEW people who NEVER played it.

Only yesterday I spoke to a guy who came into WOW ... 3 weeks ago after having played a few other MMO's.

The man couldn't believe his eyes: the world changed in front of him, the scenes changed according to what he did in quests.

He said to me: "It was like I played 10 year old MMO's up until I ran into WOW".

So building upon this very new momentum and seeing that the next 2 expansions are already planned (each within 18 months from each other), it is a rock solid fact WOW will reign suppreme at least another 4 more years.

And by suppreme I mean MOST selling and highest subscriptions.

Then we arrive in 2015 and by that time Blozzard will launch its next flag ship.

Surprise: the new MMO from Blizzard will come with WOW as COMBO paid subscription. Of course they will include that lucrative option.

Of course WOW will be with us in the next 20 years. Such a franchize will never die. Only animals die, not franchizes.

Mario is 30 years old and still jumps as if he were 16.

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