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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:47AM cowboyhugbees said

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Amen, Beau, concerning the lack of variety in LotRO character models. I'm trying to envision my character as the vagrant-adventurer type, but all the Men character models look so cookie-cutter heroic that it kind of breaks the suspension of disbelief. It's almost as if they take themselves too seriously.

(That being said, however, I think they really did well with the Dwarves. But still)

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 11:53AM Grayden5 said

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Sad to see Mortal Online isn't on this list. Despite bugs and other issues you can't argue that the games world isn't beautiful and immersive. And it definitly forces immersion with things like forced first person view and such.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 1:09PM nomoredroids said

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@Grayden5

I certainly can argue that it is neither beautiful or immersive. Or fun. Or even playable.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:27PM Xilmar said

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Forced immersion is great and any MMO that can pull it off successfully wins internetz. The only problem is that, whether we like to admit it or not, MMOs are to some extent repetitive. This means that when put in a situation a few times, it starts becoming a habit, a memory exercise, and the immersion lvl gradually decreases.

First time lost in the woods in Wurm online, on a foggy night, close to starving, was quite the experience. And noticing that giant scorpion just a second before it was too late was just the cherry on top. Now it's just a waiting game, till i come across a main road or one of the neighbouring villages.

First time attacking an elf keep in Warhammer and seeing the late defending guards did AOE dmg was intense as a healer. that was the first of a handful of times where my computer keys were in pain. After another few attacks, healing was going good while watching whose line in the corner of the screen.

A couple of years ago, first time doing the enemies abound 5 of 5 EVE mission in my shiny new battleship was 30 minutes i'll never forget. could have very well been on an actual space ship, it was that exciting. An adrenaline junky's heaven, especially knowing that i could lose my then very expensive new ship at any point. Now it's just a small tweak for my alt's logistics ship fitting.

My point is that being put in the middle of an exciting situation works only a few times in an MMO. And the only way to keep it going is by having an inhumanely large number of different situations (which will run out sooner or later), of design the gameplay in a way that allows players to willingly immerse themselves in the game.

ofc, a combination of both is the winning ticket, but when you boil it down, it's the player who needs to be willing to get sucked into the game.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 1:31PM shipwreck said

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@Xilmar

"it's the player who needs to be willing to get sucked into the game"

This! Sometimes I think we players are own worst enemies, especially in this jaded and overhyped genre. Players often go in expecting the same old thing and that's just what they get. Especially now that games are following very similar molds you have to pay attention and _want_ to get into a game for it to actually happen.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 12:37PM shipwreck said

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Sometimes I desperately want a game like that, where weather matters, travel is realistic, and there are systems in place that help your imagination work into the game.

Then there are times where I just want the game to be easy and watch the XP bar go up. *shrug*

I guess that's why LotRO is for me.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 2:33PM redsolar said

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Immersion is when a game doesn't feel like a game anymore, but more like a reality.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 4:01PM Dartanis said

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"hear some whiny raider talk about losing interest in a game after others achieved what she had -- more easily than she did"

Hm are we referring to Leala perhaps? LOL

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 6:53PM Beau Hindman said

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@Dartanis No way lol. She has never worried about stuff like that. When she does raid, it's not like hardcore, 5 nights a week.

She IS enjoying her goblin, though! :)

Beau
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 6:45PM Noviere said

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I've been playing LotRO for a couple weeks now... And yeah. I really hate the character models.

Posted: Dec 8th 2010 6:58PM Yoh said

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Ya'know Beau, your article here can be summarized as what you are looking for, as are many people, is 'approachable depth'.

Easy enough to get into, but deep enough to lose yourself in.


Wurm online has the depth part down pretty well, but so far it's so raw, that it's pretty damn hard to figure out, and even simple things are often wildly difficult.
Now as you say, forced immersion is not necessarily bad, and it this case you could argue that it is a good thing.
But, there is room for compromise.

For example, Wurm online has no minimap, fast travel, or even any real means of telling direction. Sure there is a compass item, but you don't get one in the beginning.

So finding you way around is, well, it's quite painful.
And many people, esp children, will get easily frustrated by getting lost, and having little or no means to un-screw themselves.
Immersion is not the same thing as fun.

But by giving players a compass at the beginning of the game so they can tell their ass from a hole in the ground, will do much to alleviate a lot of the frustration, while not breaking immersion.


Having immersion is fine, but having immersion that compromises accessibility and fun isn't so great.

~Yoh

Posted: Dec 9th 2010 5:02AM Keli said

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Nice article Beau. I have been running an Immersion Project on Lotro (inspired by you). Check it out at http://keli.wordpress.com/

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