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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 1:19PM Deadalon said

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There are still alot of things WOW can do. Farmville WOW style ? New professions like woodcutter that makes items for ppls housing... And ofc... guild castles. And that are just the none battle parts of the future.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 3:10PM Pingles said

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"He goes on to liken MMOs to a long-running television series"

I can't wait until they add Cousin Oliver to the cast!

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 3:17PM Sorithal said

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Non-vehicle mounted combat, underwater and +flight PvP zones/battlegrounds/arenas, player housing, exploring new realms/planets via Outland portals, new classes, sea PvP where it's not only Horde V Alliance, but also something like Blackwater Raiders VS Bloodsail Buccaneers, adding in a third faction (seems like Sylvanas and the Undead are actually inching toward that route)...

There's plenty WoW can do still >_> and those are just things off the top of my head.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 3:49PM Pingles said

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@Brockobama123

With the difference being that WoW is still getting great ratings. :)

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 4:34PM Audacious said

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They're certainly not doing more things with the story yet.

If not the story telling itself (don't get me started with that) the writing is abysmal. My brother insists on playing the game and he let me try a new character in the Brave New Azeroth. I figure, why not? What's there to lose?

These newfangled cutscenes and character conversations read like Saturday morning cartoon script rejects on one hand when they're being "serious" and tired internet memes/pop culture regurgitations on the other 90% of the time. They might net a few people back in temporarily with Cataclysm but I'm betting the game's population will plateau with this expansion and start dropping from here on out.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 4:40PM Brianna Royce said

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@Brockobama123 Wait, so WoW has 12 million active subs because video game journalists take bribes? :P

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 4:59PM Tom in VA said

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@Audacious

I disagree. I think the new Azeroth is great and the writing is fine (there are some extremely funny quests in some places). I think they ARE doing more with the story, and I also think you're mistaken on the WoW population dropping much -- at least for the foreseeable future. The use of new mechanics, cut scenes, phasing, etc., garners the whole game a "much-improved" rating from me -- and here I thought I was completely "WoW'ed-out." Surprisingly, I'm finding that WoW is fun again.

WoW was never meant to be deep, deep, deep -- so I actually think the overall "lite" approach this game has is very appealing.

I think Blizzard has done an excellent job with the Cataclysm Old World makeover, and other MMO developers should take note. LotRO, STO, Aion, DDO, AoC, EQ, and FE (all of which I've tried and/or played at length) all look pretty stale in contrast, imo.

SWTOR and/or GW2 may make a dent in WoW, but I don't think the folks at Blizzard have much to worry about for now.

Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 6:38PM Audacious said

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@Tom in VA

I guess I've been too spoiled by reading and good story telling from my preferred media outlets to be entertained with the lowbrow stuff WoW has to offer.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 10:19PM Utakata said

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@Brianna Royce

Maybe Brockobama123 was reading too much into those Wikileaks. :(

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 11:27AM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

ExBlizzard employee here:

ONLY a million? LOL. Nobody buying your services in /trade on your low population (presumably North American) server doesn't mean the game is dead. Remember:there is a whole world out there that you aren't a part of, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 12:26PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

I'm sorry, what was your source for "only" a million subscribers? "This just in, you're on the internet, nothing you say has any validity unless you offer proof."

You're right, I'm probably not associated with Blizzard, they only have a few thousand employees, hundreds of which are college age kids in Austin, and goodness knows the college crowd HATES using the internet.

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:15PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

Also:remember when Lich King sold almost 3 million copies on launch day? Yeah, that probably shows that there's only 5 million people playing. ;) Let's see how the Cataclysm launch numbers add up!

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 1:28PM Valdamar said

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Pardo's comparison of MMOs to TV series, and non-MMO videogames to movies, really rang true for me.

Like a TV show, MMOs do take time to slowly build in quality and lore (characterisation too, if you compare it to your own character's progression/journey), while non-MMO videogames are like a movie in that they are much shorter and finite so they must pack their ideas, budget and quality into much less viewing/playing time and as a result they both have a more exciting pace than most TV shows and MMOs can manage.

Also movies and non-MMO videogames have no need for "filler" - they don't have to hold your interest over a long period, so they can be shallow and short but still epic and grand, and more polished and enjoyable on a per-minute basis as they have pace. Whereas TV shows and MMOs need to have depth to match their longer running times, so you get to experience more of the world and get to know characters better, but the need to spread the development budget over a much greater timespan also means that you have "filler" to bulk them out - US TV show seasons of 22-24 episodes certainly always have filler episodes (where not much happens in the main storyline, so the episode wasn't really necessary unless it added characterisation) and MMOs are just the same with optional side-quests/tasks (and unfortunately also blander timesinks) which aren't as well written or enjoyable as the epic quests/raids, but are just there to fill time and to pad out the content without really affecting the overall story of the world or your character journey.

TV drama seems to be having a golden age at the moment compared to movies (though maybe it's just by comparison to the decline in quality of Hollywood films), so we can only hope that MMOs will also have their moment where they outshine non-MMO games in quality of gameplay. Movies were commercially available for about 3 decades before television was - similarly non-MMO videogames were commercially available for about 3 decades before MMOs hit the scene - so if TV is only just beginning to surpass movies now, 9 decades after its inception, I guess our MMO golden age is due sometime around 2090 :p

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 5:49PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

You know, you have a point...look at how well the Ngage and Zune did with their "everyone has it and it's super fuckin cool!" advertising.

I don't have to tell myself. It's not only common sense, but fact I know firsthand. No crazy conspiracy theories required. :)

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 5:51PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

(and again....how can they afford to fake sales and pay hundreds of people to stand in line at *A* location if they're doing so poorly? did you play a rogue? you're doing your best to duck anything that could smack your points down.)

Posted: Dec 4th 2010 8:32PM ThePenIsMightier said

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@Brockobama123

"You're just offering points with no evidence to back up what you say."

....kinda of like suggesting that a game doesn't have as many subscribers as they claim because you don't think it's very good? Again, where is your evidence. EVIDENCE. Kinda like when you tried to make a religious jab earlier-really, you're more like the Christians than you think. You BELIEVE a number of subscribers based on nothing, and any belief or fact contrary to it doesn't register with you. Worst case scenario, we are BOTH guilty of believing something without any kind of proof available to us.*

*except for those of us who worked there. Or was our workload a conspiracy too? Did Blizzard hire people to submit fake problems so that we would look busy so that people would listen to us talk about how busy we are to influence them to actually play too? OH MY GOD. I SEE NOW. WORLD OF WARCRAFT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST, IT'S ALL A PUBLICITY SHAM. Blizz must have paid off my friends who "play" WoW, no wonder there are more of them playing that than any other MMO. I'm gonna go to the Cataclysm launch event (with developers and GMs present, mind you, unless they're in on the conspiracy too!) and pull a Michael Moore-blow the lid off the whole sham, with it's hired actors waiting in line for hours to buy a product that doesn't exist that they won't play! HAH!

So. Try again. No "common sense if you've been sniffing glue". Disregarding my past, assuming I'm a guy who doesn't know for a fact you're wrong, show me how you know there are so few subscribers. Explain the sales numbers. Explain why there are nearly a thousand employees in customer service-no, wait, scratch that, I've been there myself so it is clearly a lie Blizzard cooked up.

You know, evidence. That thing used to refute. Come on. Refute me. :)

*also, herd mentality only works if people LIKE what they're being herded into. If the iPhone weren't satisfactory to peoples' needs, they wouldn't keep buying it, they'd say "this is a piece of shit" and that word would spread. Now, go on, turn this into a rant about how shitty the iPhone is (which we can agree on) because it will help you avoid giving me facts.

Posted: Dec 5th 2010 12:30AM ThePenIsMightier said

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@BrockObama911

LOL "conspiracy". There's a conspiracy at Blizzard, WoW doesn't actually exist! I get deleted for failing at trolling and repeatedly not backing up my points while flinging insults at anyone who approaches the issue with logic and numbers, it's a conspiracy! I am reminded of the song "Free Speech For The Dumb"....

I think what you meant to say is "I'm out of excuses and you've turned my every word against me, better to tuck my tail and run away than man up and face having to reevaluate my perspective on things".
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Posted: Dec 5th 2010 12:39AM ThePenIsMightier said

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@BrockObama911

There was just a white van outside. I suspect they're dropping off a wad of cash for my part in the conspiracy, and probably on their way to snatch you up and "silence" you-just a single errant paranoid voice can topple their entire empire! The voice of BrockObama911 is simply TOO POWERFUL TO BE ALLOWED.
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Posted: Dec 8th 2010 4:49AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah its different, not something most ppl would have done really, some games do visit old worlds.....but not change it so vastly! I like the interesting move idd!

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