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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:33PM Coolit said

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Great write up.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:42PM mttgamer said

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I installed this game as a recommendation from a friend. I played for an hour. I thought i was doing ok fiddling around gathering things for crafting, doing the new player quest line to get some clothing. Successfully killing goblins here and there. In totality i played for a good 3-4 hours.
Then at some point, I turn my head around to look at something on the tv and when i turned back I was dead. Ganked by some dude wearing armor and I was Stripped of every single possession i had and had lost all the time i had invested into the game.

I felt cheated, lost, and felt like i just wasted the biggest waste of time. I promptly uninstalled the game.

It seems like a good game, but the newbie curve on it is just really steep. This is from someone who can understand EvE and knew what the newbie curve was like back 2 years ago. At least if you blew up your ship in EvE they GAVE you something so you weren't just a floating pod(or in Darkfall's case Naked with no inventory).

Just my 2 cents.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 7:43PM Attckdog said

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@mttgamer You didnt losing anything to be honest. The possible Skill up you got from dieing to that guy was worth more then everything you had on you. That being said im assuming you banked often. That way you dont lose everything in one attack.

DarkFall is all about Risk vs Reward. You risk a little you gain alittle you Risk alot you may gain alot. As for being killed once in this game and quiting you miss out man. You should pay attention! Darkfall is full of danger and the mortality of it is what makes it great. When you are on the other side of a random kill like that you blood is pumping.

PVP is great in this game, Exploring is awesome. only thing that isnt super in this game is the PVE if you care about nothing but numbers and getting the most in items for your time then you may not enjoy it as much.

Anyone that trys this game NEEDS TO JOIN A CLAN. don't play by yourself. In not at all then at least at first. Figuring out how to play can be hard for new players but thats part of the game. Darkfall is about the players where as in other mmo's its about the game.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 11:22PM Monkey D Luffy said

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@mttgamer.
Learn to bank!

And you should have joined clan NEW, the leaders may be assholes and will kick you out of NEW if you say you like WoW but you can learn a lot from them and you can always get enough power later on to destroy clan NEW and their alliance because you don't like them.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:44PM Bimbrie said

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A close friend tried it out and gave such an abysmal review that I steared clear. After reading your revue I'm salivating thinking about an MMO in the traditional style that can actually bring back the vibe of UO that had me hooked for eight years.

I'll be giving the free trial a shot, hopefully over the extended weekend.
(Fiance is visiting family) Hahah

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:49PM smoke2000 said

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I'm not surprised you had a blast. Darkfall can be really fun depending on how you decide to play it and there is nothing remotely like it on the market at the moment (i've banned MO from my memory , doh mentioned it..)

The problem you will have from now on, is that the other mmo's will bore you at a record speed, which isn't practical for someone's who job it is , to review mmo's ;)

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:53PM tk421242 said

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I have played EVE beyond perhaps a brief 30 minutes to check out the visuals, when you get killed do they give you a basic ship? Is that not similiar to starting back off with a starter weapon in DF?

I can however understand your frustration. I played at launch for two months and remember finally getting to some cave under a waterfall with ruins in it after trying for hours and just starting to explore and getting killed. I was not pleased, but I got over it when I finally ran back and found the corpse of the guy that killed me. He was I guess killed by a mob shortly after killing me.

Thinking I may reactivate just to give it another run and see the changes, something to fill the holiday time.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:09PM mttgamer said

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@tk421242 There is a difference between a basic ship which allows you to continue on with the game (eg basic armor) unlike darkfall(albiet this was a while ago it probably has changed) I revived in my undergarments without even a sword if i recall properly.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:26PM tk421242 said

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@mttgamer At least its not naked people like MO. Hordes of naked guys stuck in lag crowded around a trainer. That was scary.

I would say that what little I saw of EVE made it feel like there were areas that were less dangerous than in DF. Even grinding out goblins in DF near the starter cities I felt like I could be killed by anyone just passing by, even a more advanced character.

Personally, my playing style leans more towards exploration than actually PVP, or even PVE sometimes. I enjoy exploring the world that has been created, finding things like the cave I mentioned before, and thats quite difficult in an open PVP game such as DF. It also could feel more exciting too though I suppose.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 12:59PM nevin said

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Sounds like it's come a long way from that 2/10 review it got on eurogamer.

I agree with smoke2000 that once you taste the delights of open pvp, pve just seems so uninteresting. Saying that, I didn't know that the AI was so much more engaging in Darkfall than the usual we've come to expect.

I do prefer my pvp a little less open than the complete abandon of Darkfall but I might just give it a try.

Nice write up.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:11PM Bartlebe said

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He's getting a guided tour from some of the most powerful PvP people and clans in the game. Don't think for a moment that any of you random pubbies will get the same VIP treatment.

Going around with Zealot and Shadow? No wonder you had an easy time.

Anyone else may be in for a rough surprise if they walk in expecting anything like this.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:46PM Jef Reahard said

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@Bartlebe

Eh, try reading again, the PvE tour was approximately 5 hours out of 30. Outside of it, I've been ganked and am experiencing the same skill grind that everyone goes through. On the tour itself, I died on at least four separate occasions that I can remember offhand. I think you mistook the fact that I had fun for your own guesstimates as to how "easy" my play experience has been.

Also, this series has another 4 - 5 weeks to run, so there's plenty of time for the anti-Darkfall crowd to see what happens when the new shine wears off, lol.

Think of CMA this way: a look at the newb perspective and a glimpse of what you can look forward to at end game courtesy of the higher skill guys who've been kind enough to let me take a peek at their world.

Anyhow, no amount of evidence will convince certain folks that Darkfall is simply a fun game for certain types of players, so, hate on.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:59PM Bartlebe said

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@Jef Reahard

I know that i've become the "haters gonna hate" forum troll even though I didn't mean too. Sorry.

I just got off of a Darkfall test myself where I spent time with high end guilds and whatnot so Ive got some strong opinions. Didn't mean to trample yours.

I'm interested to see how this evolves.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 2:26PM Jef Reahard said

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@Bartlebe

Np. At the risk of sounding defensive, I've taken great pains to make sure this CMA doesn't devolve into a "special treatment" review (including the use of an alt account that will come into play in the next few weeks). Yes there will be some glimpses of endgame as I think it's cool to give people a look at what they're potentially grinding their butts off for.

There will also be the newb experience too, actually that will be the majority of it, as I'm not getting any gear or advice that is not also freely given to all of the other raw recruits who joined NEW at the same time.

As an example, our kraken run the other day featured a few vets but also myself and several other guys who had been playing for less than a week. Although I didn't touch on it much in this week's article, the DF community, particularly the folks that hang around Hammerdale, seem quite genuinely interesting in helping every newb have a good time and learn the game (after they've ganked you a time or two, lol). It's quite the opposite experience of everyone's normal reaction to the name Darkfall.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 2:40PM Bartlebe said

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@Jef Reahard

A lot of Darkfall's community is very invested in drawing new players to the game and it really shows in their generosity. They're all very invested in making sure this review and set of articles go well. When you announced it, it popped up on the Darkfall forums and people flooded here to make it happen. I'm sure they're all very invested in making sure you're seeing all the game has to offer. It's great that they're that aware of their game's faults and are willing to help change it.

Actually there is a rift between the hardcore, survival-of-the-fittest, PvPers and the people that want to shelter new players and bring them in gradually. A lot of people meet this wall of vicious PvP and hostility in Darkfall that scares them away.

I just don't want people to be misled or disappointed when they don't receive similar treatment, get to go on Kracken runs, kill Black Dragons and spent time with Zealot in their first week. Ya know? Mixed feelings here for me I suppose.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 2:54PM Jef Reahard said

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@Bartlebe

Yeah I understand where you're coming from on that. It's a balance. Hopefully at the end of the column run there will be a good mix of both, as I'm also spending a fair bit of time on my anonymous alt.

Thanks for commenting.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 4:17PM covertAHhps said

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@Bartlebe If you were to ask high-end clans to show you around, I almost guarantee that you would find plenty of people who are more than happy to group up with you. You just have to ask around. Its all about your attitude and everything that you do since you only have one main character will be remembered by other players and most people do not want to be remembered as a jackass. Even if someone is following you around and killing you every chance that they get, instead of getting mad, try talking to them without nerd rage and a good attitude . .. and I bet that they would end up hooking you up in the future. Griefers feed off of nerdrage and if you have none than they leave you alone for the most part.

Its not a game where people log on and spam '30 Rogue LFG' or anything like that as you already know. You will get to know people a lot more than you do in other games. No instances and only one character per account makes socializing in this game stand out from other games. You will get a feel for the community in a different way than you do in other MMOs. A good example is how 95% of DFO players use vent instead of chatting in game. No auction houses and its FFA PVP so you will have to be social and interact with others whether you like it or not.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2010 5:05PM Jihoko said

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@Bartlebe

Actually, it seems like everyone who joins NEW gets that sort of treatment. I (unknowingly) started around the same time as Jef, and I've been invited along for all the things he has. (i'm actually starting to worry that the person I got into an argument with the other day was him, and that I'm going to be featured in the next article as the one asshole he encountered heh) I didn't know about NEW going into the game either, I was actually approached by a few players (after ganking me, heh) not even in the clan suggesting it. Just wanted to put that out there - you don't have to be a massively columnist to get a warm welcome to the game, if you look for it.
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Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:18PM MajorDisaster said

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Nice write up, sounds like your having a great time. I play darkfall on the eu server and have to say that in my opininion if you looking for a freeform sandbox pvp game in a fantasy setting, nothing beats the sheer excitement you get from Just going about your day in Darkfall.
To me this is the best mmo on the market to date, and coming from someone whos played UO, DAOC and Lineage2 for years thats saying something.

Posted: Nov 24th 2010 1:39PM enamelizer said

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Lots of what you described sounds a lot like UO. Will definitely have to try it once I get over my current lotro infatuation.

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