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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 4:20PM Sireangelus said

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Pfft, "it's going to take quite a bit of time for us to exhaust it all and start complaining about stagnation again. "

Never ever underestimate people's capacity to complain. :)

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 4:33PM Seffrid said

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Why would they wait until they've exhausted it all before complaining? Most of the complainants haven't even played the game since they realised it wasn't the Second Coming of their Beloved DAoC (which was so good they haven't played that for years either) during the free month at launch.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 5:20PM CCon99 said

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lol, it only took 13 minutes to get that first complaint reply!

BTW, there's no such thing as "free month at launch". The first 30 days are part of the purchase of the software.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 4:22PM eNTi said

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this has to be the most expensive must pay patch there is. no one who's seriously playing warhammer is playing pvp... and no one who's seriously playing pvp in warhammer can get past the $10 bucks from the ea store. it's a laughably expensive dlc. my friend tried to compare it to the must-pay wow-addons. while there is some truth, that you probably can not seriously play wow without buying the addons, a $30 price tagged wow addon has about a 100 times more content than this patch from war. people who pay for this are quite desperate indeed. if i hadn't left war a few months ago, i would definitely do it now. ea just made certain i will never be interested in anything they'll put on the shelves again, ever.

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 4:23PM eNTi said

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if course i meant, ANYONE is playing PVP in warhammer.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 5:54PM yeppers said

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By "wow addon" you mean expansion?
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:33PM (Unverified) said

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You keep using that word, addon. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 4:37PM Taawa said

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WAR and DAOC are the only game in town for RvR. So $15 for the combo pack felt like a bargain to me. Nobody in my guild balked at the price tag. Many have returned, even. Although I do think it'll be a hurdle to encouraging more skeptical players to return. I've given up hope that people from my wow guild will give WAR another look.

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 5:18PM Graill440 said

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I guess if one is willing to go back to a game that never met standards the company is throwing out the right bait. Spiderman says everybody get one, only one. I'm not spiderman. (grin)

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 5:57PM yeppers said

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This is all good but personally, I'm waiting for bit of a graphics overhaul. I bought the original WAR and liked it well enough but the characters didn't seem to mesh with the background well enough. Like you were moving shrinky-dinks over a photograph. And the animations were almost like activating a video clip if that makes any sense. I know it's shallow of me but still, just where I am with this game.

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:23PM J Brad Hicks said

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Wait, I don't get that bit about twinks. If Endless Trial players are capped at level 10 but tier 1 allows level 15s, doesn't that just about guarantee that Endless Trial players are nothing but helpless victims in tier 1 ORvR? Especially considering how many class-defining powers unlock exactly at level 11?

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 7:00PM xBludx said

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That would mean that they would have to decide to buy the game or quit playing the endless trial if they don't like it because of the cap at level 10. Maybe that's what EA wants here.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:38PM ShivanSwordsman said

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I still have the boxed, unsealed Collector's Edition of this game sitting in a drawer. What am I waiting for? Either someone to buy it off my hands, or for them to not be complete retards. After I heard about these "Booster Packs" nonsense, I became very, very glad I never actually registered this game. The sad thing, I registered all the extras from the game, but really, I've been waiting for them to just go F2P, or fix the bugs.

From what it sounds, the game is still fairly buggy, fairly awful, and the game is going under so many overhauls it can't tell what it wants to be or who it wants to please. Personally, I loved the game when I beta tested it, even if it crashed every hour, and the textures were muddy and whatnot. However, they'd do much better if they just went F2P, and used their "fill In Your Lore Book" aspect like LOTRO's Deeds system, giving you cash shop points for filling it in and doing the public quests.

There's so much they could do to make this right, but it seems more like they're just strangling their fanbase for some quick cash, and making it so you HAVE to buy the boosters to remain competitive. When a Pay to Play goes Pay To Win, then it falls off the freakin' short bus. I'm sorry, you can't have the Chinese gaming pie (Cash Shop) and the Western gaming pie (Subscription). Their greed echoes the sentiments of Everquest 2 going "Free to Play" (more like "Eternal Trial).

I suppose they know exactly where their game stands, and that it's not going to last much longer, so they're going to shake down the mindless masses and fanbois. Sad, because WAR's PvP and leveling in Scenarios was the most fun I ever had in an MMO.

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:40PM ShivanSwordsman said

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Er... rather, it's still sealed. It's covered in the original plastic wrapping from EB Games, complete with the sticker price on it. More or less completely untouched in any way.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:51PM Deadalon said

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War is not just pay to win ... it is pay to loose too - cause they are actually charging ppl to be the cannonfodders.

Get the hell out while you can guys. This is just the start of how you will be forced to pay more and more for less and less. And if you skip an extra payment + your monthly sub (basicly double monthly sub from now on ) you will not be able to play RVR....

This is what RVR is all about... Pay extra to beat the few stupid nubs that still pay sub for the game. Yes this is RVR... and Mythic just killed it to make more money.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2010 12:48AM Avick said

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If it was "pay to win" as you say, they wouldn't have made rr80+s have their stats decrease in effectiveness per point as they do for the normal 1-40 ranks. As of right now, a rr100 isn't so extremely more powerful than a rr80. rr80s can certainly still compete.

So no, nothing about this is "pay to win".
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 6:43PM Deadalon said

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This pack is probably the best example of where the MMo industry is going. And there are few ppl falling for it - inlcuding the OP that cant hold water for all the new and shiny things that he is paying for....

WAR is done and dusted. The only loosers now are those 10% that are still left after orginal launch of the game. Not EA will bleed them try by letting them kill each other for next 6 months - before putting up another pack with 10 RR lvelvs so ppl will pay more.

No thx. Let this title die and the incompetent devs go with it. WAR has done everything wrong from pretty much day one of launch and this is nothing diffrent. And why is it wrong ? Because it has nothing to do with the gamers... its all about making more money out of nothinng,

Posted: Nov 20th 2010 7:24PM yeppers said

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Loose as a goose on the loose?
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Posted: Nov 21st 2010 8:17AM Pandemic said

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The rvr pack is pretty cheap; it costs about the same as 2 pints of beer. So there isnt anyone who cant afford that. If there are such people then I strongly suggest you get off your lazy dole scum backside and get a job.

They will release a second rvr pack but not for about 6-8 months so a 1 off payment of a few quid / dollars etc isnt someting you should worry about happening often.

The online store doesnt actually sell anything that can be used in the game in pvp. For that matter not really pve either; its just cosmetic stuff that you dont really need, its a nice way of them earning money.
They also wont ever sell anything in there that will affect pvp, so you can rule that out as something thats 'pay to win'.

Is the rvr pack 'pay to win' ? Well clearly no; I actually tested this out on the test server as a rr80 vs loads's of rr100 players and as a rr80 you will still do ok against rr100's. Just because someone is rr100 doesnt give them a 'i win' card; a bad player is still a bad player and easy to beat.
However it allows you to progress beyond rr80 so it depends if you want character progression when you hit rr80 or are happy to not progress any further.

The rvr pack does allow you to get to rr80 faster, however is speed to get to rr80 important to you? If not I probably wouldnt buy it at least until you hit rr80.

So its clearly not a 'pay to win pack'. The second thing to realise is its going to take a VERY long time for players to get to rr100. Going from rr81 to 82 is 700,000 renown; at rr81 you earn an average of at best 3-4k per scenario (the fastest way of leveling) if you are in a premade, thats alot of time.
Players will want to spread out that with open rvr etc and as you get to a higher rr you need more renown and earn less.

It all means by the time the second rvr pack comes out in 6-8 months time there will be only a tiny handfull of players at rr100 on all the servers combined so the second rvr pack wont contain any extra rr's. There will be no need for that. My guess is it will contain fully playable additional races and maybe a t5.
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Posted: Nov 20th 2010 8:40PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah I was considering a return to War but after reading about the sellign of levels and those packs...I don't think so,these recent things have turned me off SW:TOR more than any news coming out about the game ever could too.

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