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Posted: Nov 14th 2010 7:19PM DLemke said

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PLEX, PLEX, PLEX…. This article opens and closes mentioning PLEXs.

If you don’t play Eve, the reason you hear about PLEXs so often with that game is that CCP boosts the cost of subscriptions by integrating PLEXs into the sanctioned, developer-run RMT economy of Eve. Some players (gold farmers) trade their gold (isk) to other players for game time cards (PLEXs), with CCP’s blessing.

Whereas almost every other mmo charges 15 USD or less per month via game cards, and game time cards are seldom used or talked about relative to other payment methods…CCP charges 17.50 USD for 30 days via PLEXs.

Since Eve is permeated with RMT, and PLEXs are tied to that RMT, and PLEXs boost game price relative to other payment methods, you hear about PLEXs all the time, both as a matter of advertising on CCP’s part, and just as a matter of standard game play talk from players.

CCP loves the extra 30 dollars each year premium on accounts paid for through PLEXs.

Posted: Nov 14th 2010 7:43PM Brendan Drain said

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The reason the article starts and finishes with a mention of PLEX is that this week I've been selling off unused assets to buy PLEX for three characters and I realised a lot of people are probably in the same boat with the 5-day reactivation offers having just come in.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 12:49AM smg77 said

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Eve is permeated with RMT? Do you also see black helicopters outside your windows at night?
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 7:41AM DLemke said

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For non-Eve players: Other that what I wrote above, notice Brendan mentions he’s going to ‘…buy PLEX for three characters…’ when what he means is three subscriptions.

Fanboys, embrace multiple subscriptions per player as a great sign of how dedicated some fans are… but don’t euphemize the ugly side of multiple subscriptions and PLEXs, a lame, shameful business model used to bleed customers.

Either way, wonderful sign of fan dedication, or shameless exploitation of customers, … CCP successfully pushes players to get multiple subscriptions, that is a fact.

Smg77: Eve is permeated by RMT, that’s a fact. Why do fanboys always have to pretend that obvious realities are somehow fictions when the facts don’t suit them? The central theme of this very article is RMT, gold farming labor as a way to pay for game time.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 9:31AM mikejr said

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Eve is permeated by RMT*

* Source not cited...

It's OK if you don't like the game, but pulling random data right out of your posterior in an effort to prop up a weak argument is pretty pathetic.

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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 10:12AM DLemke said

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@Mike, I like the game just fine, I just don’t like CCP’s business model whereby they push PLEXs which effectively make many subscriptions 17.50 USD per month, and whereby customers get sucked into a game some like, but a game which successfully pushes players into getting multiple subscriptions.

Game, ok, well, ok for some people anyway.

Business model, sneaky, and a rip off, bad for players.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 10:13AM DLemke said

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As for RMT,

A player with real money to spend can buy a character with as much xp (skill points) as he wants, with CCP’s blessing, on the Eve website. A player with real life money to spend, can buy all the gold (isk) he wants, with CCP’s blessing, on the Eve website. If that doesn’t qualify as “permeated by RMT” then nothing does.

Mike, you apparently think that ‘RMT’ refers only to Asian gold farmers in a sweat shop somewhere. RMT doesn’t just refer to illicit gold farming, RMT can refer to sanctioned gold farming. Both sanctioned and black market gold farming thrive in Eve.

PLEXs don’t come from the PLEX fairy. One player (gold farmer) raises isk (Eve gold), like Brendan is describing, like Brendan is doing, HE is a gold farmer, then he trades that isk (gold) for a game time card to another player who paid real life money for that game time card. You can say “…but, but, but…. “ all you want, but although it’s a clever variation on gold farming, it’s still gold farming.
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Posted: Nov 17th 2010 9:53AM grimmlock said

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Because $30US is such a huge amount of money…

CCP implemented PLEX as an easier means of allowing the purchase of game time with in game currency, and to allow people to purchase in game currency with real money. Yes, RMT has been around for a long time, you just had to trade them on the forums.

The entire idea is to help stop the purchase through less reputable means, and to reward the players that actually play by allowing them to keep playing by spending in game currency, and to allow those who don't have much time to play to be able to afford items in game through the purchase of GTC.

No one at CCP is forcing anyone to purchase or use PLEX.

Think about it, though, how many sites do you see advertising WoW gold? If people were not still purchasing WoW gold through illicit means, then the sites would go away, wouldn't they? Makes me wonder why more MMORPGs haven't gone the same route, since it helps protect your customers financial data, allows people to play more just for playing, and doesn't decrease the overall revenue stream for the parent company.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2010 8:35PM (Unverified) said

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You published this article at the right time. I am currently on the 5 day free return and I'm trying to sell the stuff off I can so I will be able to buy a PLEX b/c I'm broke irl and really would like to come back. I forgot how fun Eve is. That program suggested is very helpful. Thank You. Now I only need another 300mil to get my PLEX lol with 3 days left.

Posted: Nov 14th 2010 8:52PM DiscoJer said

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Considering that you seem to have 1-2 Eve stories a day, maybe it's time to spin off a new site for Eve? (Because no one else cares...)

Posted: Nov 14th 2010 9:06PM Darkdust said

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I suspect that Massively has realized the rabid fan base that plays EVE and has latched onto them as one of the few sites that gives our favorite game so much attention. TTH does as well, but I'm not sure about others.

However, this story does make me think that Nyphur needs to sit down with a mind map and come up with some new stories. This is mostly the inverse of "can I haz ur stuf?" and I'd figure that we should have lots more stuff going than just that.

Although, if they ever want guest columns for EVE... *cough*
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Posted: Nov 14th 2010 9:28PM Brendan Drain said

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@Darkdust

We do have a very large EVE readerbase so when something is going on that interests most of them, we usually write about it. There's also a growing perception amongst our general readers that EVE is a fascinating game to read about even if they don't enjoy playing it. It is probably the most popular game section on the site, but it's nowhere near the titanic proportions of WoW Insider so I doubt it'd do well as its own site.

If there are any topics you think would make a good featured article or guide, please send them to brendan@massively.com :D. I'm always on the lookout for good ideas, particularly ones suggested by readers as they help me figure out what you like reading about. I often write up reader-submitted column ideas with a shout out to the person who suggested it.

After two and a half years of the EVE Evolved column coming out every week, I've already covered a huge number of topics. Some are on things that have changed since like the tutorial experience or nullsec warfare, and those are things I could revisit. But most are things that it would be cheap to go back and rehash, so I'm constantly trying to come up with new ideas. This week's column was inspired by the 5-day reactivation offer, which has had me scrambling over EVE selling items on my reactivated account in time to buy a PLEX. I realised that it's one of those things every player does now and then, but nobody really talks about the best way to do it. I think it's an interesting enough topic and, judging by Aetal's comment above, I'm not the only one having a fire sale this week!

You're right that there's a lot more going on in EVE right now, with Incursion testing happening on the Test server and some huge wars in nullsec. My rule is that I only write about things I really know about, and not having been in nullsec wars for a while I've been a bit out of the loop on actual war mechanics since the titan doomsday change. I also haven't been able to attend the Incursion mass-testing events, and discussion on the Incursion mechanics is probably best saved for after the expansion comes out anyway. Again, if you have any ideas for topics you'd like to see covered in future columns, feel free to drop me a mail to discuss them. I really do appreciate input from readers.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 12:44AM Dblade said

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I think it's just a slow news month.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 3:45AM (Unverified) said

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Given the number of successful MMOs out there (it's not a large number), I'm struggling to see how 1-2 articles a day could be considered an excessively large number for any one game. How many articles do you want to see on Massively's front page each day? Less than 10? I think most people would prefer more content than that.
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 12:43PM Halldorr said

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Please keep the EVE stories coming!
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Posted: Nov 14th 2010 11:45PM (Unverified) said

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On the actual topic of the article...in regards moving the items to a trade hub.

If you either don't have the time or the ability to move them, I can thoroughly recommend Red Frog Freight. http://red-frog.org/jumps.php . They provide a transport service that I use regularly and they seem to be competitively priced.

As I can't pilot a freighter and also don't really want to spend my limited play time hauling items around, I find them incredibly reliable (they usually move the items within 24 hours) and priced well.

Hope that helps someone :)

Posted: Nov 15th 2010 12:04AM Birk said

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@ Brendan Drain: You should perhaps consider a project-type approach to Eve Evolved, not unlike some other Massively staff (Rise and Shiny, Choose Your Adventure, etc.)

I think it would be an awesome idea for you to use your current pilot (or start a new one) and fire up a Massively corp. Have a column once a week documenting your growth as a corp, getting involved with faction warfare, industry...all that good stuff. Aspire to 0.0 status, chase down wormhole ops, and in general do all the awesome stuff we get to read about; except this time the focus would be on you, and some familiar Massively readers.

Maybe have one day a week when new recruits can get some training and special tips for 1 or 2 hours...hell, you could even have a weekly podcast.

Anyways, just food for thought!

-Birk

Posted: Nov 15th 2010 3:20AM halfcaptain said

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agreed!
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Posted: Nov 15th 2010 12:42PM Halldorr said

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Ooh fantastic idea! I am in for my 5 free days at the moment and so is my wife. I think our biggest issue has always been finding a corporation.
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Posted: Nov 25th 2010 8:26AM (Unverified) said

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@ Halldorr: If you're that desperate just join FW
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