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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 8:21AM (Unverified) said

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EVE online, most definately. The premise of the game is great, which is why I keep coming back as often as I leave. But this is balanced out by the disengagement and steep learning curve. The universe is really primed for some great space opera-esque roleplaying, but the game itself isn't quite suited to a roleplayer.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:02AM (Unverified) said

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I have to disagree with you. EvE is perfectly suited for roleplayers because you don't need to worry about being out of character. Everything you can do or say in game can be interpreted as in character. Even the FTL chat functionality is explained in the lore because you shouldn't be able to instantly comunicate with others that are many light years away.

Now as for the rest of your comment I agree wholeheartedly. Eve is amazingly engaging and boring at the same time. I love the game but when you start to pay attention to what you are doing, the actual interactions that are taking place, it's a no or very low action game.

That being said I will, as always, return to the space opera.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 8:27AM (Unverified) said

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I don't have a relationship with any MMO not anymore at least
Allods online used to be it but when they kept going and kept making unintelligent changes it went full on Hate

Posted: Jan 10th 2011 1:38PM k3nt0456 said

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I wanted to love FFXIV but it just hates everyone and everything...

EVE keeps tempting me to come back but I know I'll be bored after a few days. Honestly, a "sandbox" mmo doesn't really work unless you've got the time and dedication to find a *guild* that knows exactly what their goal is and the path to achieving it. They're destined to be niche games, the mainstream (which includes me btw) wants theme parks

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:08AM (Unverified) said

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Be warned /rant incoming


I don't hate MMO systems per se ..those are just visions of different game concepts that I may or may not agree with. What I hate is some of the more negative aspects of the Industry and community....

On the industry side the propensity to flat out lie to the media and customer base to keep their nifty jobs making games just a little while longer, the use of the worn out excuse that “the mean old investors” made them launch the broken mess that they worked six years and spent 100 mil on... or the placing of some bimbo in a position of power in a development house despite the fact that she isn't a gamer and has no fucking clue how to make or produce games (I'm looking at you MYTHIC) despite the fact that there are legitimate women gamers that could successfully steer a development house.

On the community side: The Greed, Douchbagery, and downright disgusting behavior that permeates all MMO's. I mean what can you say about a hobby where a leading authority that has the ear of players and developers alike is a mean spirited fascist that takes every opportunity to point out how much more epic he is than the unwashed masses especially “the inferiors with disabilities” (I'm looking at you Total Biscuit) I know I know TB is just trying to sell more T-shirts... sorry there are better ways, and honestly he could stand on his considerable knowledge of what does and does not work in a MMO, and he knows it.

Is it any wonder that the only time MMO's make the news is when a developer offs himself, or when a couple tards kill their kid because they have to make the next level, and now we have a plethora of documentaries to highlight these wonderful attributes.
What MMO's were supposed to be when Lord British and Don Daglow first started and what they have become are vastly different things...and the difference is far from better.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:22AM Averice said

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No clue who or what total biscuit is, but I mean, you basically described everything competitive that there is. Winners win and losers lose. Sports, non MMO video games (the whole epeen thing started with xbox afaik), you're basically arguing against the majority of humanity. Not to say that's a bad thing to argue against, but it really isn't just an MMO thing, it's more of a community thing.

I didn't play any of lord british's games, but I mean, from the stories I heard... he Was that guy at the top of the mound with complete invincibility and could do whatever he wanted. He never had to vocally claim he was awesome cause he could just poof your toon and show you.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:09AM (Unverified) said

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@Todeswulf

Spot on. It has been a LONG TEN YEARS of watching the MMO industry people just suck at their jobs. Not all people by any means - in fact, I point the finger at the minority of business people involved with developers as they always wield huge influence over the course of the industry, and they never, never have a clue as to why people play their games in the first place. They have produced a 10-year streak of /facepalm decisions :(

@avarice
You're working from multiple false premises. The first is that competition belongs in an MMO environment. By nature, MMOs were designed to be COOPERATIVE gameplay, not competitive. People getting together into groups to accomplish things they could not do alone is not competitive behavior.
The second is that the majority of people are competitive and the minority cooperative. Umm, no. A tiny minority of people are competitive and the VAST majority cooperative, collaborative and constructive. However, we always seek out groups of people like ourselves, and since our perspective is limited and subjective, we start thinking that because most of the people we interact with are like us, that must be what everyone is like. Add to that the fact that those competitive people are far more likely to act as a "vocal minority", toss in websites' ability to mass publish those vocalizings and keep them forever, and you've got a situation where the minority can really skew perceptions over time.



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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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Right on Dainsmall1...the forced competition with the endless Epeen parade and how all MMO's must also be Esports has helped thrown the industry into the Eshitter.

But again we have a vocal minority steering the industry, and yeah really sick of being told it's the way of the world...not my world, and if you think about it there are damn few that want things this way.

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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:17PM Fakeassname said

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"E-shitter"

... I love that, in fact I love all of this last comment.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:22AM Bottleskup said

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EQ2.

I dropped my sub when Sentinels Fate was released and vowed never again to darken my doors with its shoddy itemisation, corrupt devs and meaningless progression. I had played since Desert of Flames and had been raiding since KoS, but it wasnt until TSO that i finally started getting frustrated, and with SF raising the level cap again, I decided i wasnt prepared to have all my raid gear made obsolete just so I can be forced to raid for new gear which is only an upgrade because they stuck in another mechanic and forced us to need it in order to progress.


That said I love the game. It gave me like 5 years of great fun, good friends, great experiences and kept me away from the risk of skin damage from the sun. It has the best guild system i've seen in an mmo, guild halls were brilliant even if they did empty the cities and it is where i learnt to MMO. I love the way combat logs were open and 3rd party programs like advanced combat tracker made me discover that I am *good* at poring over combat logs and optimising cast orders and whatnot, and that I enjoyed doing that. EQ2 made me the MMO player I am today and despite the fact that I know I can't go back as I would only be going back to disappointment and paragraph 1, it still holds a special place in my heart.

Sad eh? Yup.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:21AM (Unverified) said

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I hate and love ALL mmos I've ever played. EVE, WOW, I love the action - massive raids or epic fleet actions are what I've always wanted from MMOs.

But devs insist on forcing you down hours, if not weeks, of grinding to enjoy those experiences.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:24AM Seffrid said

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I don't have any element of love or hatred towards a computer game. It's a hobby, it's about enjoyment. If I enjoy it I play it, if not I stay well clear. I don't understand why some people stay on a forum trolling a game long after they decided it wasn't for them.

What sort of life priorities do people have if they have emotional reactions to a computer game? Enjoy, or move on.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:01AM halfcaptain said

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i'm sorry; first off, i know i'm going to come across as either bitter or mean. maybe both? But that is a specious, pious thing to say ("it's a game guys, /I/ only play games 'cause i like them"). That wasn't really the question. telling a bunch of people on a mmo gaming news aggregator to grow up isn't too charming. actually, it's kind of smarmy, so you can imagine why i'm kind of irked.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:58AM Brianna Royce said

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The same sort of people they'd be if they had the intended emotional reactions to books and movies and music:

Healthy humans.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 8:50PM Birk said

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Agreed here; off your high horse! Off you go!

-Birk
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 9:35AM lizardbones said

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It would have to be World of Warcraft. I love the game when I'm leveling new content, my friends are playing. I hate it after everyone starts the raid grind and I've neared the end of the honor grind. I'm not much liking the Cataclysm events nearly as much as the events preceding the last expansion. It just feels like they are teasing me so I'll get one more month of play time to sit around staring at the unchanging landscape hoping that an elemental will pop up and I can kill it before the local mobs.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:19AM rgolch said

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EvE online has gotta be the love/hate game of the universe. Such a brilliant game in terms of overall philosophy and where it wants to go. Unfortunately, the Devs, and most long time players think the game has to be a total pain in the ass to be legitimate. And just about every player in the game seems to have found something to both love, and hate. If you need proof, just visit the forums. Sheesh, what a bunch of negative bee-aaa-ches.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 3:42PM halfcaptain said

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i'd love to disagree, but, uh, i can't. after ~4 years subbed, my love/hate relationship is still going strong. waiting a week to fly a boat that i already bought with all it's trimmings is exxxccruuuciiaattinnggg. and losing that boat in a moment of indecision or inattention is just as painful. getting bitched out in broken english by 12 russian men who wanted to see a tiny explosion is shit, but returning the favor a few weeks later with their own explosions on the business end is pretty golden. in the end, EVE is a cruel mistress. it pays to be scrupulous, patient, bold and calculating, but it will cost you your share of rage-quits and a bunch of time with your forehead on your desk.
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Posted: Nov 13th 2010 10:23AM Seffrid said

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@halfcaptain:-

The question was whether we have a love/hate relationship with any games, and my simple answer was no, because they're just games. It is a fact that I only play a game if and for as long as I enjoy doing so - is that so weird? It certainly isn't pious.

I'm sorry if that approach troubles you, but it was a direct and honest answer to the question posed. Moreover, it was an answer that in no way told a bunch of people to grow up.

Posted: Nov 13th 2010 3:47PM halfcaptain said

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fair enough. if games never frustrate you, then you are a rare individual and you should have many children. sounds like you have a healthy attitude. if you can't wrap your head around a love/hate relationship with a videogame, that's fine by me. and probably pretty great for you. p.s. i'm not troubled :(
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