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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 4:16PM Duulin said

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This is awesome. In my opinion I am getting far more entertainment from the mismanagement of this game than the game itself ever provided. What will be even more entertaining is when the SWTOR community finds out that EA is testing the waters with WAR in the same way Turbine did with DDO.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 4:35PM Greg W said

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Oh, don't be mistaken. SW:ToR absolutely will have an e-store. There's almost no doubt about it.

Read about it here: http://pc.ign.com/articles/113/1132509p1.html
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:17PM mav1234 said

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Don't most MMOs these days have e-stores? Is this really shocking that TOR would?
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Posted: Nov 7th 2010 8:48AM Crsh said

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@ Fel

Sure, but it matters a great deal what is sold on it; love it or hate it, Blizzard hasn't gone down the stupid path with their e-store as they strictly only sell vanity pets and mounts that offer no "boost" of any kind. Not yet, at least.

Selling levels or pets with a movement increase = playing with fire; even if they don't end up selling fully-leveled characters, giving an advantage to those who shell out extra money basically makes it mandatory to stay competitive. It'll get ugly fast, and it'll possibly blow up in their face too.
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 4:28PM Xsorus said

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Rofl.. Wow i don't even know where to begin..

The War Tract has been in the game for months now , You can get one from Chapter 4 of both the Empire and Chaos Lands if you complete the influence of that Chapter, Plus it's one of the "prizes" given to the people who were over billed.

now if your argument is "Well they're not selling you a free level" then you simply have to go back to the Collectors Addition of the game, and see the 15% boost of XP you can get, Over time, It would equal out to close to a level. No one seems to have trouble with an XP boost which is basically a free level over time.


Next is the 3% speed boost, Yea.. that's so awesome, just like the 6% boost you can buy for officers tokens in game, that no one uses. If a person catches you in WAR because of a 3% speed boost, you were caught anyway.. 9/10 if you "get away" from anyone in this game, the first thing they're going to do is mount up and chase you down.

Seriously this whine post of yours is sad.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:09PM Dumac said

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Since you are not objecting i have to ask you, why do you want to be charged for stuff that, as you say, you can already get for free? Why do you want to be subjected to this type of treatment?
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:23PM mav1234 said

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Dumac:

...The stuff that is IN the game is still IN the game. I think you are confused. This is no change in "treatment," there's no change in "subjecting" us to things we can already get. If another player wants to pay for what I can get for free, I'm not going to object. I have no problem with the general idea of microtransactions, and every MMO I've played recently has them, even *gasp* WoW!

The speed boost also comes from a pet, so you get a vanity pet if you want one. *shrugs*
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:06PM Qehb said

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inc Free to Play?

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:11PM mav1234 said

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I don't see how this is mismanagement. This is an attempt to move the game in a different direction so keep it sustainable with a smaller player base.

1) You can pay for a buff that is half as good as what you can get in game.
2) You can pay for an item you can get in game.

It is rampant speculation to believe you can expect them to put out premade level 40/rr40 characters. The WAR Tract exists in game, so it is not surprising to see them offer them for sale. It is another beast entirely for them to create premade characters you can pay for... there is no precedence for that in this game and thinking they would do so seems to be, well, dumb.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 8:04PM Greg W said

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Mythic already has a history of offering pre-leveled characters for UO.

See for yourself: http://www.uogamecodes.com/store/prod_detail.asp?ProdID=UOADVCHAR&CartID={BD4042E9-D377-4B20-AF4F-4040B04623A7}&PromoID=996
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:11PM Mystal said

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I assume they're just using WAR as an experimental cadaver in order to determine what kind of shenanigans they can get away with in TOR.

It's a shame that they have so little regard for their existing loyal customers.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 5:19PM Pandemic said

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Not sure what all the fuss is about. They said quite along time ago that they would offer some things for cash from a store that wouldnt give you any advantage in the game in pvp.

This is exactly what they have done. The 1 level you can buy (usable just once) is already available in the game as a chapter award - for free. Given you can go from rank 1- rank 40 in 3 days in game played I dont see how this affects the game.

Same with the 3% speed boost; as mentioned above theres already speed boots in the game you can buy with medallions, most players dont bother. I've seen players with the 3% speed boost pet and they didnt play any worse or better.

They are just a way of raising cash from people; so its a good idea.

Not sure where all this talk of 'payable templates' come from. They wont ever put this in the game for 1 simple reason - it would take players out of tier 1-3 and they dont want that to happen. Remeber this is a pvp game not a pve one, they need players in t 1-3.

Have to laugh at the article poster, not thought his arguements through very well. buying a 3% speed boost to remain competitive. ha ha rofl.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 8:07PM Greg W said

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But what if they offered pre-leveled tier specific templates, and introduced another "entitlement" at the same time, allowing one to "turn off" xp gain?
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Posted: Nov 7th 2010 1:51AM eLdritchZ said

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3% movement speed increase IS a big deal... when you have 2 characters who are equally fast and one is chasing the other but is just out of melee range, he will never catch up unless some other factor intervenes. If the chasing player moves faster, even if it is just 3%, he will catch up! it won't even take super long if he is really just half a meter out of range... I've been playing a Retri paladin in WoW from vanilla til wotlk and ever since they introduced the 8% movement bonus and JoJ I was able to kill sooooooo much more in PvP which would otherwise just have gotten away...

and iirc that "6% movement increase that is already ingame" isn't that a talisman with an 8h duration?? that means you have to give up a talisman slot which is 20-odd points of stats and you will have to rebuy the thing all the time depending on how much you play.... so yeah a 3% increase that is permanent and doesn't take up any sort if slot is better.

It's not the most evil play to win thing I've ever seen but it definetely and without a doubt falls into that category... progression pack is even worse for everyone who is taking WAR PvP seriously... that is pretty much a forced buy... those 20 additional Renown Ability Points and the new, higher Tier sets at RR100 will make a HUGE difference...

I was really stoked when they announced Skaven, but now.... meh
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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It has to be said that the current pet you can buy at the EA Store only gives you a 3% speed boost in PvE. During RvR the pet is unusable. I think this is a huge point that needs to be made clear; the reason no one has noticed a huge difference is because there ISN'T one most of the time. RvR has been unaffected. Reading this article I don't think you understood that.

I don't know if the 1.4 pets will have the same restriction, but if they do then you have nothing to be worried about in terms of competitiveness.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 7:19PM Sunlover said

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The game is almost certainly going free to play. Whether they go completely or try an SOE thing remains to be seen.

I agree with a lot of what Jack Emmert had to say about the direction the MMO business is moving, and I've shared similar ideas in comments I've made here in the past regarding various games and issues.

Fact is, many games simply cannot offer everything at release that a well produced, well established game with a very large community can. This fact is made even more obvious when you have a hype machine the likes of Warhammer's during its development, which makes many promises that it cannot possibly deliver, and releases to the disappointment of everyone who plays it. Age of Conan, Aion, and recently Final Fantasy XIV have seen what this can do to their consumer base and reputations as well. We have yet to see a game rebound completely from this sort of thing without completely changing their business model (i.e. going F2P).

Turbine understood all this too, and even though DDO wasn't doing so well, which prompted their business model change, LOTRO wasn't doing that bad from what I understand. However, Turbine is now doing better all around, all without the subscription model. EQ2 soon followed and now CO (and STO soon after no doubt), and this recent news about WAR along with EA's F2P dabbling (BF Heroes, Battle Forge, and the latest Play4Free BF announced) all lead me to believe this is EA Mythic setting WAR up to go F2P any day now. I just can't see this game surviving or being worth their continued development without it. I still wonder if Mythic/EA (And Games Workshop?) have recouped all of their development costs for this game. My guess is they have not, and without a radical change in game plan, they may never.

Summary: Incoming F2P/Play4Free announcement soon.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 8:14PM (Unverified) said

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I agree entirely, except I wouldn't use the phrase "without the subscription model" when discussing Turbine, since of course they provide a hybrid model with both a subscription option and a pay-as-you-go option. Subscriptions are certainly still there, and in LOTRO's case, I would definitely argue that it is the right choice for all but the most casual players.
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 8:43PM Sunlover said

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@ Carson,

Good point. Most of the F2P MMO game converts do offer a subscription-like "membership" or what have you. I guess what I should have said was, "with this business model change from a purely subscription based offering to one of the recent F2P/Hybrid membership choice models/Cash Shop", etc.
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Posted: Nov 6th 2010 7:22PM hami83 said

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I don't see the issue, though I STILL think the game would be more successful being F2P with an in game store.

I have no issues with any of those purchases. Especially if they only affect PvE.
And XP boosts mean nothing since there's a level cap.

Posted: Nov 6th 2010 7:56PM Firebreak said

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Am I missing something, the war tract does seem to be account wide and not one character.

"Hunker down and learn your skills quickly with the Specialized Training Pack. Purchasing this pack will grant all characters on the account one War Tract that will allow them to immediately advance one full level when used.

The War Tract will be delivered via in-game mail to all characters on an account, including characters created in the future. The in-game mail for each character will be generated the first time the character is logged in and be available for 30 days. "

I am not sure how a feel about either way though.

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