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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 1:58AM (Unverified) said

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Even though newer mmos try to give you flashy moves mimicking wow, the only classes I truly feel are unique are the ones from L2 when u had to spend time doing class quests allowing ur moves and style and class rarity to become more and more unique. The class quests after the lvl 20 one may have been double digit hours long b4 completing them, but it did give u a since of accomplishment in the game.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 5:16AM (Unverified) said

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I got a special place in my heart for this game. Summoners for life. Just couldn't handle the grind. Found myself boting more than actually playing so i quit.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 8:24AM ZoneOuT said

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whatever happened to L3? I remember hearing that it was in development... years ago and that there was even screen shots of it.. might of been just really old rumors ...

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 7:05PM Jef Reahard said

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You make a good point about hiring someone with Korean language skills, I dearly wish we had an asset like that as I love the Korean titles and struggle all the time with finding ways to cover them that isn't simply regurgitating press releases by the American publishers.

I'm not in a position to do any hiring, but I will take your point to the higher ups.

My apologies for getting defensive. I think we're on the same page as far as frustrations go.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 7:07PM Jef Reahard said

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Er, yeah. Sorry Jersey, ignore this, I was meaning to reply further down in the thread.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 8:31AM (Unverified) said

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I wish you guys had someone on staff that could speak more authoritatively on Korean MMO's like L2 other than just saying things like ZOMG PVP SKIMPY OUTFITS LOLZ.

Maybe if you had someone who played them for any real length of time these sorts of reports wouldn't seem so bloody hollow. There is -far-more information than this available, along with most Korean games, if you know where to look and how to speak the language.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 9:12AM Jef Reahard said

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I've played L2 extensively, as well as Aion, and will doing the same for TERA, ArcheAge, and Blade & Soul. In the case of L2 though, a six-year old game that has a much smaller following here in the States than it does overseas doesn't really merit a ton of coverage.

We cover TERA on a daily basis, Aion several times per week including a dedicated column, and also were the first American website to feature an in-depth interview with Jake Song regarding ArcheAge, so your assessment of our Korean MMO knowledge seems a bit off the mark.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 5:44PM (Unverified) said

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Then I would respectfully and tentatively ask you what your name was in L2, what server, what class, what Clan, what level you were, and how involved in the community you were as a result of that.

I never said it was about L2 not getting enough coverage, my issue was with the type of coverage it and other Korean MMO's get when they are brought up. This post could have been a wealth of information regarding the new project, all of which is freely and easily available with a little research and time put into it, there could have been references to how the game is now, how it has been in the past, and how the new project will alter things.

I realise that this is just a quick news post, and I also realise the following isn't crazy in the West, but don't you see how this sort of thing reflects poorly on Massively; and makes actual players of these games feel frustrated every time they pop up on your site?

The same could be said about most Korean MMO's you cover, a little bit of effort would garner you more information than you will ever receive by bookmarking the American franchise publishers website.

Not that it matters, but a little background info on yourself from L2 and Aion would clear this up and put me right, I hate to be the kind of person who asks for your "credentials", but it does matter to me.

TIA
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 6:30PM Jef Reahard said

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I'll be honest man, you're speaking in generalities. If we "know where to look and speak the language?" What exactly does that mean, take some night classes and learn to read Korean? I'd love it if NCsoft and the rest of the Korean game-makers actually took the American market seriously, but unfortunately it seems like we're worthy of their table scraps and little else, and they make it very difficult to get any kind of timely information, let alone the sort of expose you're seemingly wanting.

I'm all for improving both my personal and Massively's coverage of Korean games (and all games, for that matter), but you said it yourself: this was a news post, a "hey, here's a nugget about L2's new expansion." It's not a 1000-word feature article. Feel free to make constructive suggestions, we love them, but I really don't see any in your post.

As for my credentials, I'm not in the habit of posting those on a public forum. I have a 47 Elyos sorc on Lumiel, actually now Israphel I guess, as well as a host of alts in their 30s. L2 has been awhile, I think the last time I logged in was 2006, and I played several characters on Siegehardt, chief among them an SE. I burned out in my mid-60s, maybe 66, I forget. My clan was House Millathor and we were a part of some Dragon-type alliance, I actually can't remember the name of it other than it had Drak or Dragon in it. The vast majority of the time I duoed with my girlfriend.

Anyhow, if that's not enough for you, feel free to email me with your credentials and we can arrange an in-game meetup. Not sure what exactly that will prove, but I'm willing to do it.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 6:51PM (Unverified) said

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Why don't you just employ somebody who is interested in Korean MMO's and speaks Korean, I do, I've met many people in the KMMO's I've played who do, it's an obvious crossover and quite common.

Considering Korea is such a centre for MMO's, having somebody who can cover those effectively seems like a really good idea, and would no doubt generate great traffic, since often you'd be the only source of certain info. Covering them is very simple when you know the language, and you can stay 6+ months ahead of their development by doing that rather than waiting for western publishers to throw you a few scraps.

I used to translate patch/chronicle notes on forums, which let the NA/EU audience see what was coming to the game as far as a year ahead of time, you can see why that would be interesting to people.

All I'm saying is that if you (as a site) want both credibility and compelling content regarding these games, that is the way to go.

Maybe you don't [see it as a big issue], which is also fine, but as a reader of Massively I felt it might be helpful to tell you what frustrates me about the site, and what would make me and players like me visit more and get more invested.

As for the credential thing, I was trying to give you a bit of insight into how the Korean MMO player sees things, it matters to us whether or not you have a high level character, whether you're reputable, whether you're involved with server politics etc. It's hard to take somebody seriously, and consider them an authority, when they have a level 10 Human Fighter sitting on TI and feel they're then able to tell me what's what in the game I play.

My apologies if I came across as confrontational, it wasn't my intention, it's just after months of reading the site it comes to a boil sometimes.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 7:06PM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, and I really hate our comment system, lol, as I posted this up there and I meant to post it here:

@Knqui:

You make a good point about hiring someone with Korean language skills, I dearly wish we had an asset like that as I love the Korean titles and struggle all the time with finding ways to cover them that isn't simply regurgitating press releases by the American publishers.

I'm not in a position to do any hiring, but I will take your point to the higher ups.

My apologies for getting defensive. I think we're on the same page as far as frustrations go.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 11:14AM Higurashi said

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No thanks. Lineage 2 with a new coat of paint is still crap.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 11:22AM (Unverified) said

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I don't know about other Korean companies, but NCSoft just released their Q3 financial report, with some mildly interesting worldwide sales figures (percentage in parentheses) :

Aion (44%) was up slightly and is doing well at almost half of all sales.

Lineage I (28%) sales were down a lot from Q2, but still a good solid second place.

Lineage II (20%) sales shrank a bit and are still way down from Q1.

COH/V (4%) jumped back up after a terrible Q2. Looks like Going Rogue did well and the players that tried CO came back?

GW (2%) continued to decline, falling below Other Games just slightly.

Overall, it seems NCSoft's sales in China are about equal to North America. That tends to back up figures that having a huge number of players in China doesn't translate into high sales numbers because it is based on rather low royalties rates that any non-Chinese games have to deal with to license/operate their game there.

Europe continued to shrink (gosh, wonder if NCWest's virtual abandonment of Europe has anything to do with that?), but Japan and Taiwan were both slightly up.

Another website (known for often getting translations wrong) is reporting that news out of the G-star 2010 trade show is that Blade & Soul has been pushed back to 2012, as has GW2. Think I'll take both of those with a very large grain of salt for now. My understanding is that GW2 is set for 2011, while B&S has always been aiming at a 2012 release.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 10:35PM Darkjoy said

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burned out at 66 in l2? meaning you didnt play it, at all meaning your coverage of l2 is lacking.

you can insert more excuses in the comment box all you want, lvl 66 is all i needed to know that you don't know jack about l2.

sorry for being blunt, but it is truth.

Posted: Nov 5th 2010 10:37PM Darkjoy said

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oh and if you'd like an ingame meet up, i'd be more than willing to one shot you with you with my 85/80/80/80 character.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2010 10:58PM Jef Reahard said

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Excuses? I'm not sure your reading comprehension is up to snuff mate. He asked for my info and I gave it to him, what part of that equals an excuse?

I realize you're a troll, but I had to respond. Usually trolls make some sort of sense, lol.

As far as you one-shotting me, how could that possibly happen if I didn't play it? I mean, I don't have a character to log in with, right? If I did though, I'd really want to get your autograph.
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