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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:45AM (Unverified) said

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My 2c,

I mostly play female characters, I am male. I do it cause I dont wanna stare at mans backside for hours at a time.

Furthermore, I am interested in fantasy, not simulation. Its irrelevant to me wether or not the Adamantium Pushup Bra of the Abyss offers real protection, its all about the aesthetics.

Also: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini?from=Main.BreastPlate

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:01AM Fakeassname said

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uhm .... male or female, why would you be staring at your character's ass?

isn't the point to play the game and to look at everything else besides your character's ass .... I'm guessing that when your in line at the store you don't stare at the ass of the guy in front of you.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 10:33AM Its Utakata stupid said

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To add, staring at the ass of your character would be terribley distracting when your focus should be on what your character is doing. I doubt very you would be staring at it...while health bar is only 5% and have 5 angry mobs beating on you, for example. So this excuse become a bit of a misnomer.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 1:07PM 2DruNk2FraG said

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To be fair, I've heard this opinion lots of times. The fact is that that certian looks attract male gamers which is the main audiance.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:51AM (Unverified) said

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"a substantial portion of its audience"

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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:51AM (Unverified) said

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WoW needs more Orc Phallus...

fair is fair

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:52AM (Unverified) said

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Overall when I start to see people whining about the game I just point out it's a game. They are mostly all about fantasy things. Go to these other countries where many of the MMOs come from and you will see a different type of culture than in America. Sex sells on so many different levels it's not even funny. Do you see ugly cheerleaders on college and pro teams cheering on the team? Hell no you don't because majority don't want to see some ugly woman. Go look up the article how overweight women are paid less than the average worker.

Read this article about obesity. http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2002-09-04-overweight-pay-bias_x.htm

You got more important things to worry about than some FAKE character in a game. And to those with parents who have kids. Once they reach middle school they already know all this BS you try and protect them from.

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:53AM Meagen said

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This is something that bugs me, too. MMOs absolutely tend to show more skin on female models than on male. In pretty much every online game that has any sort of armor sets, a set that shows no skin on male characters will always show at least *some* skin on females, usually in the chest or thigh region.

I'm not saying I'd be happier if female characters could never show any skin ever, but I'd like at least *some* parity. If an outfit fully covers a male character, it should also fully cover a female character. If an outfit is a leaf bikini on females, the male equivalent could at *least* show a bit of bare chest.

I love Guild Wars and I'm getting Guild Wars 2 when it comes out, but things like this just make me facepalm: http://www.arena.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/HeavyArmor02-600x489.jpg

It's funny how so many people will always insist "it's not a big deal" and "you're making too much out of this". Well if it's not a big deal, if it honestly doesn't make much of a difference if female characters are sexy or not, then why not just make more outfits that cover female characters completely? I'm not saying make it impossible for female characters to be sexy, just give players more *options*, more ways to give their characters personality. More customizability is good, right? It's something we all want in our MMOs, right?

And yes, there's always "don't like, don't play", or "MMOs will always be like that and you can't ask them to change", but let me ask you this: If you are tired with some aspect of MMOs being overdone, like you hate that there are so many MMOs that take place in fantasy settings, or you'd like to see some alternative to XP and levels, would you consider it acceptable if someone said "well MMOs will always do that, there's no way they'd every do well if they did anything else, so either live with it or stop playing MMOs altogether"?

We're all MMO players. We all love MMOs, and we all have our favourite aspects of MMOs. We all have our Dream Feature Lists that we hold up to each MMO to see how it measures up. I think "customizeability of female characters" deserves to be on that list as much as "soloability" or "balanced PvP". It's definitely something many players want. It's something developers and publishers can focus on, something they can put on bullet point lists, something they can tout on backs of boxes. We just have to keep talking about it.

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:09AM archipelagos said

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I agree. This is a topic that needs to be brought up again and again.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:18AM Fakeassname said

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+5

I think you hit all of the major points, I'm male, but if I wanted to look at porn I think I could find better examples somewhere else than in a mmo. I log in to play a game so my biggest issues are the disparity between males and females is simply immersion breaking, not to mention that the primary facet of any mmo is supposedly the ability to create an entirely new persona, yet the only persona that is available as far as the female form is concerned is that of a "hawt chick".
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 10:00AM The Other Chris said

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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior_armor
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ranger_armor

Rest assured that GW2 will have both sexy armor (showing a bit of skin) as well as functional armor (looking like a badass), for both male and female avatars. I play both male and female characters and in GW I have a female warrior. I currently have the Templar Armor, and am working towards getting the Primeval Armor in Nightfall.

As to the argument, there is more than one side. Looking at the avatars in most games, females are all curves and males are all barrel chested. Sex sells, always has and always will. Characters in all forms of media will be fit, toned and, how to put it, aesthetically pleasing to the eye. ;) How many romance novels have 'the tech support guy' or 'the D&D guy' or 'the comic book guy' on the cover instead of Fabio?

In WoW, when I played, I had a male Troll BM hunter and a female Forsaken prot warrior. The Troll was just another cog in the wheel, but my Warrior got peoples attention, because it was a rare combination to see. Never did I think that Kara gear was 'sexy'.

Now, more modern MMOs are starting to have sliders which allow more a more diverse character creation process. For me, this is good, as I prefer a less busty character than what is set by default (I just can't see double-Ds running around fighting evil). With games like City of Heroes, you can make your avatar as sexy as you want, or as covered as you want. STO fits right into the STO universe (at least the looks). As has been mentioned already, both LotRO and DDO have well covered and well armored female avatars. Heck, even Age of Conan, once you start getting decent armor, covers up your avatar pretty well and looks quite functional.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 10:20AM Its Utakata stupid said

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As been pointed out by a couple of responders, Chris ...sex may sell, but why do we need it in MMO's when we can get it virtually for free with all the porn out there? It no longer has to be the main focus to run a successful MMO. In fact doing so, just risks over saturating the market with it.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 10:43AM The Other Chris said

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The same reason we 'need' it in TV, movies, music videos, book covers, and ads for macaroni and cheese. Do we need it? No. Does it increase sales? Marketing says Yes.

Would Twilight be as popular as it is if Clint Howard was the main actor?

(nothing against Clint, he was in Tex Murphy: Overseer, which makes him awesome)
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:53AM Fakeassname said

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it's kind of hypocritical that the GM's will ban people from naming their characters "Twat" when it's pretty obvious that the design department dosen't think that women are anything more than that.

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 8:58AM (Unverified) said

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How about how men are treated? You know everyone makes a big deal over women being portrayed as hyper-feminine, but men are almost always portrayed as hyper-masculine and nobody complains. These complaints perpetuate a double standard.

If men and women are both portrayed as an extreme end of the spectrum, is that not equality? What more can you want?

Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:03AM Fakeassname said

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fact: any game with a half decent character generator will let you build an ugly male character.

name one that lets you make anything else besides a barbie doll?
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:08AM archipelagos said

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Variety. For representations of women AND men. It's not asking a lot.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 9:25AM cic said

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This, everyone seems to forget that it's not just women that or being objectified or being unrealistically portrayed in our favorite MMO's, video games and culture.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 10:06AM The Other Chris said

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@fakeassname

WoW - Trolls, Tauren, Forsaken, Orcs.
CoH - Completely up to the player.
LotRO - none of the characters are 'ugly', but all are quite modest in appearance.
DDO - see LotRO.
AoC - Completely up to the player, end game armor is functional and covers the avatar well.
STO - Completely up to the player.

Of all the 'current' mainstream MMOs, I would say most allow for either an ugly character or a fair character that is modestly dressed and functional in combat.
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Posted: Oct 27th 2010 12:17PM Fakeassname said

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yes, but the the ones who are "ugly" and "moderately dressed" are not going to be options for female characters.

name one mmo where you can give a female toon a beer belly? name one mmo where a female toon has got a head option with acne scars? name one mmo where you can make a female warrior ripped like her male counterpart? please ... name one mmo with options for female character customization that do not adhere to the MTV definition of beauty.
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