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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:24PM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, I wasn't really talking about Roger Ebert, but fair enough, it's an argument that can't be won, lol. Anyhow, I'll stop trolling my editor before I really get in trouble.

/bows out
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:16PM deadborder said

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Your argument lost all weight when you used "Karen Traviss" and "talented writer" together

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:23PM Jef Reahard said

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Care to elaborate on that or should I just take your word for it? Lol. I mean, clearly she's no Faulker or Hemingway, but I'd be interested to see which of the other EU writers you hold in higher esteem, and why.

Traviss is one of the few (Stover being another) that actually has a distinctive writing style, journalistic chops, and the ability to develop characters that aren't cardboard cutouts (I'm thinking mostly of the Republic Commando novels here), or bio pages from an RPG sourcebook.

I think she rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way with her personality, but questioning her writing skills? Nah, I don't think that's very realistic.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:39PM Jef Reahard said

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Ugh, Faulkner, yikes.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:44PM Brianna Royce said

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IIRC, Karen Traviss is either loved or despised depending on your particular flavor of obsession with the Mandalorians. :P
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:03PM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, that's why I asked about his reasoning. I don't particularly care about Mandos one way or the other. I do appreciate well-written prose and interesting characters though, and Traviss churned both out with regularity during her SW run.

Some of the other EU writers? Eh, not sure I'd hire them to write so much as a caption, were it up to me.

People may not like her style, and I respect that. I don't particularly care for the films of David Lynch. But I know enough about to film to avoid calling him a hack because he's not to my personal taste.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:05PM Stellar25 said

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Here is part of the reason some Star Wars fans can not stand her :

"Some speculation as to the change has been offered, with many sources pointing to a rant by the author on her personal blog where she compared Star Wars fans to terrorists, coining the term "Talifan", a direct take off of Taliban. Shortly after this statement, Traviss went on to deny ever making it, and further deleted the entire contents of her Star Wars.com blog. The controversy dealing with her statements and sudden withdrawal from the community has left many former Star Wars fans to boycott all works produced solely or collaborated with on her part."

quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Travis
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:09PM Brianna Royce said

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That may be so, but the poster took issue with calling her a talented writer, not with her rapport with fans. :p
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:13PM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, thanks for posting that Stellar. I understand the hard feelings that statement generated among fans. However, the fact that she said that doesn't have anything to do with her writing chops, which I guess is where I scratch my head a little bit at people that took issue with me calling her a talented writer.

She is a talented writer. Anyone that knows anything about writing can tell that after reading a bit of her prose. She may kick puppies when she's away from the word processor or whatever, but that's really beside the point I was making when dropping her name.

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Posted: Oct 29th 2010 3:32PM (Unverified) said

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Tom Hit what i was going to say on the head. so I am just going to give him credit instead of repeating him.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:47PM doublerainbow said

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What I want, and perhaps many others do also, is to have something replace the epic feeling lost from the first three Star Wars films. For me nothing so far has done this. I didn't play KOTOR, but honestly I admit perhaps I am missing out.

My faith in anyone or anything has fell drasticly. The newer Star Wars films were a pale comparison and prequel to the amazing originals. This game, honestly, seems like a hack...borrowed uninspired boring monotonous content.

The only thing I can see even reviving the Star Wars mania are the people who make those epic CGI movies for SWTOR and The Force Unleashed II.
Those short films are very impressive, and if they are smart they should make more, and make them movie length for the big screen with 3D.

I don't know what happened to Lucas over the years, perhaps he became no more then the corporate scum he once railed against while making the original films. Perhaps he lost his touch.

That is all.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a BioWare fangirl, and a Star Wars junkie.

However...

As excited as I may be about TOR, it's modified by countless other games I've been excited about, only to see them flop. I'll be buying TOR, of course! And I'll be using my free month to decide if I will actually continue with it, or if it goes on the shelf like any other non-MMO BioWare game. I'm sure I'd get a month out, so in the long run, I wouldn't be paying any more than I would have for any of their other games.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a BioWare fangirl, and a Star Wars junkie.

However...

As excited as I may be about TOR, it's modified by countless other games I've been excited about, only to see them flop. I'll be buying TOR, of course! And I'll be using my free month to decide if I will actually continue with it, or if it goes on the shelf like any other non-MMO BioWare game. I'm sure I'd get a month out, so in the long run, I wouldn't be paying any more than I would have for any of their other games.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:03PM Emolition said

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Guess Im on the othere side. Every mmo I test so far (around 20-30 or so) got 1 thing incommon and that is that I never followed the story as I hate reading alot of text so I never known why I kill and do what they ask me for. And that is what I hope swtor gonna change with the voice as no more reading required and I love kotor , mass effect and dragon age from bioware they do the best storys I played. But the single player games allways end when you reach the end so never get to test the cool stuff for long why Im happy they doing this in mmo formate as there is no end where they game cut you out from playing =) .

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:46PM happyfish said

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I'm not sure about never reading quest text, but after having played a ton of MMOs I can get the general sense of what a quest wants me to do after reading a few lines or spotting some key words. A ton of voice overs are really going to tick me off if it takes 5 minutes of dialogue to find out the princess I'm looking for is in another castle and I need to farm 20 bantha eyes.

I kind of feel like BioWare is trying to sell a sports car to a bunch of minivan owning soccer moms. If MMO players loved scripted stories, we wouldnt be playing MMOs. At least in a single player RPG, I can see my impact on the world, albeit minor sometimes. The npc I rescued in an MMO is going to be captured 5 minutes after I saved em so why bother doing a voice over for what's an ultimately meaningless activity?
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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@happyfish

Please, oh please stop saying "MMO gamers don't care about story"... really can you not understand that what YOU care about might not be what I care about? There are millions of MMO gamers around the world how can you claim what every one of those millions want or not?
To me it's very simple, most MMOs until now have not paid attention to story, hence us players (me included) skipping the quest texts and such and moving on to the job at hand. This is fine if that game wants to focus on other stuff and sacrifice on story, and i indeed have played those games and enjoyed them.

Now i, and i think a lot of people are growing tired of the same kind of game over and over and over, and are excited that someone is promising something different. Point in case, immersion and involving storytelling. It's a nice change of pace for me and i know a lot of people are looking forward to see that well implemented too (not saying it will be!, after all it might suck but we're happy they're trying).

So please stop putting MMO players in a box and announcing what we want, be happy to state what YOU want and that is you're right. There are plenty of games that don't really care about story aren't you happy to play those and let us have ONE that focuses more on story? Thanks so much :)
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:20PM (Unverified) said

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The hypetrain is quite large, sometimes we just KNOW when it's gonna be epicly good. The mmo world will tremble when TOR releases :D

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:42PM (Unverified) said

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I could not agree more with the OP. I find it too funny really that I have been going on about these very topics for months but yet the fanboi's persist in their flaming, lol.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:45PM (Unverified) said

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People just love to prove you wrong more than 80% of post are very critics with TOR. So more than overhyped the game is underhyped.
I hope you don't get what you wish, because the flop of TOR is going to result in very bad things for the genre and not only a few developers lossing their jobs.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 6:45PM Space Cobra said

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I had the same trouble; seems like an internet hiccup out there. :/

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