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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, spend much time on the TOR forums and you'll see there's mostly negativity. Calling the forums a place of "manic surety" just shows a lack of understanding of what's actually going on in that community.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 4:30PM Jef Reahard said

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Well I didn't refer specifically to the TOR forums, I was speaking of the TOR internet community in general which encompasses forums at all the major gaming sites as well as smaller blogs. My mistake for not clarifying the reference.

Regardless, as a whole the official boards strike me as generally positive towards whatever BioWare parcels out. Sure there's negativity, but it mostly comes from the same handful of folks rather than the community as a whole.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 7:38PM Arsinek said

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The lamest thing about this game is that it appears to be a WoW clone. Which I bet is what the developers are aiming for.

If the game is more then a re-skinned WoW I might try it, otherwise, no. Ive played WoW, been there done that, show me something new and creative.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2010 12:57AM beskar said

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I agree. A great deal of what I write at http://beskar.net/ is based on the craziness over at the forums, from both regular people through to the moderators and devs themselves.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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I very much agree that Bioware is OVER emphasizing the story aspect of SWTOR.

People who want to play KOTOR3 care about story, people who want to play a successful MMO DO NOT. MMO players care about gameplay, substance and balance.

I also think you dislike the SW franchise. I think you openly admit that, but its not necessarily a lens to review through. Just because you didn't like a lot of recent SW lore doesn't mean that is really relevant to SWTOR. KOTOR is the context for SW of which only 2 games have been set and only one of them by Bioware. (the better one)

So while Chewie getting killed by a moon is dumb lore, that dumbness can't be associated with the entirety of the SW franchise.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:40PM pcgneurotic said

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Chewie moon death? What's that all about?
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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@ Neurotic

spoiler?

In Vector Prime, Chewie dies when the moon Dobido collides with the planet Sernpidal.

This was an example of butchered SW lore that I felt cannot be associated with the SW franchise in its entirety.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:50PM Jef Reahard said

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That was the Salvatore NJO book wasn't it? Not one of my favorites, but not the worst by far.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 4:08PM Qehb said

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@Neurotic

You realy dont want to know,
I wish I was still blissfully ignorant about it. QQ
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 4:56PM alinos said

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i want both story and gameplay

because the gameplay was all there in Kotor as it was. I don't even really regard most MMO's with having all that much in the realm of gameplay. target skills move on. it sure has gametime. but it seems to be if you try to do something different with the way the game play's you just get yelled at for it
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 9:26PM (Unverified) said

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"People who want to play KOTOR3 care about story, people who care to play a successful MMO DO NOT. MMO players care about gameplay, substance and balance."

Well i guess you have us all figured out then, kinda sad that i've been playing MMOs for years but suddenly i just don't fit as an MMO player because i happen to care about story... really, how pretentious do you have to be?

Regarding the article i think the writer makes some valid points and it's always good to not take games for granted, especially MMOs, just because of an IP or a dev. What i don't get is the talk about the "general positivity" about TOR... We surely haven't been reading the same forums because i think negativity towards the game is (at this time, not a year or 6 months ago) clearly the predominant attitude. You don't have to go anywhere further than right here on Massively and read the comments section...

Anyway, although i do agree with the point that too much positivity at this point is not justified; i do have to ask why all the negativity towards the game is better? It's just too soon to judge the game. Having said that, some people's problems are towards the hype machine and that i do respect and agree to a point, although that is an industry problem and not exclusive to this game at all.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:19PM Colin said

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Whew, the Soapbox was really harsh this week. Not that I mind. You raise quite a few interesting points.

I'd put myself in the middle of the crowd, I decided to wait and see until they finally pull back the curtain on the gameplay before deciding one way or another..

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, I kind of agree. I'm still a huge SW fan, and I don't think Lucas is quite as awful as you make him out to be, but TOR has given pretty much no information about gameplay, payment models, server sizes, or anything about the plot of their vaunted story. I like Bioware, and I love Star Wars, but I haven't seen anything yet to get me excited about this.

Oh, and Frist Psot!

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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I have to agree with the main thrust of your article. At first I was really excited about this game but over time the things that have been revealed show it to not be particularly innovative or appealing. The video of the space battles on rails was particularly disappointing. At the moment it looks a lot like World of Warcraft in space with voiceovers.

This game's hype seems to be riding primarily on the weight of the franchise and the reputation of Bioware. It probably won't suck, but also won't be anything new.

But like everyone else here, I'll probably give it a go for at least a month or so.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 5:19PM (Unverified) said

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New doesn't work with MMO's. Warhammer tried to do new styles of game play trying and failing to balance a PvE world with a PvP one.

So to everyone ringing the "Gimme new now, we want change!" bell, change is expensive it often fails and the way so many are just fair weather fans it means that vastly expensive games like MMO's won't be trying new ideas unless they are 100% positive they will work.

So yes it will have similarities to other MMO's and to that I say, "So what!" You know why Free Realms and WoW do so well? Because they're easy to get into, they appeal to a large array of people.

Hate on SWTOR all you like but if you're just going to carry around your negativity and heart break over broken promises of the past don't expect to get far in an MMO's social game.

I remain hopeful that it will be a gaming community I will enjoy and it's one I won't give up on until I've seen it for myself.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, I kind of agree. I'm still a huge SW fan, and I don't thinkLucas is quite as awful as you make him out to be, but TOR has givenpretty much no information about gameplay, payment models, serversizes, or anything about the plot of their vaunted story. I likeBioware, and I love Star Wars, but I haven't seen anything yet to getme excited about this. Oh, and Frist Psot!

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 7:44PM Interitus said

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Lucas might not be so bad, but Lucasarts isn't so hot. A few years ago they took a new turn where everything had to be -ICONIC-. Likely due to contract obligations SOE came out with the NGE. Read any dev post from Bioware when they are showing a new system. Have a count of how many times they mention "Iconic" or how they wanted you to feel like character X in movie Y.

I mean the Smugglers first announced companion is a wookie! AT what point is Lucasarts going to stop shoving down our throats that we're playing a Star Wars game? I mean I think I accepted that fact about the same instant I heard of the game.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:28PM clik said

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I get the feeling this game isn't going to be as big as people hoped. At least not in the long run. I hope I'm wrong though.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:29PM (Unverified) said

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I've never understood the hype behind TOR, and the more gameplay footage they release, the more I question it. This will definitely be one of those games that I wait a while to see what it is like; the hype of people treating this as the second coming of sliced bread is surely to fall flat, but how flat is what I want to see.

Posted: Oct 19th 2010 3:33PM (Unverified) said

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lmao.....no really, laughing my ass off irl. Bluer in the face the Aayla.......

Bio fanbois, stay out of this thread if you cant be at least moderately unbiased. I get enough of OMFGILOVEBIOTHEYRULE over at the official forums. Im starting to get nauseous after dwelling in them for over ten mins.

I will say that the inevitable backlash has started, as well it should. Water seeks its own level, and by Bio opening those forums ALMOST 3 years prior to launch, they were begging for it.

Well written article, no TTH fluff. Heh. This is the type of writing thats honest, objective and the type we NEED MORE OF. Looking at the IP without rose colored glasses and calling out the official forums dwellers ( which I happen to be one of ) on their lack of peripheral vision.

Its only by doing this can we hope to get whats likely to be played out after this MMO goes live. Alot of us are very curious as to how its going to shake out. And I will be there amongst the other SW fans, hoping the game kicks ass.

Nicely written article. We need more like this.......

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