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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:09AM darthinfamous said

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I think this is one of the best articles I've read on Massively so far

Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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I agree completely.A lot of truth in this article.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:22AM benfolds said

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Absolutely agree with you!
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:34AM Bartlebe said

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"Games are more and more frequently budgeted such that the game launches when the team has run out of money, because the company has already spent all of its budget trying to turn the game into a blockbuster that will earn a million subscribers at launch. This has happened precisely once, and it was for a game that was budgeted so that the team would have kept getting paid even if it wasn't a huge hit."

Couldn't said it better myself.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 1:58PM Birk said

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Fantastic article. Despite it being fashionable to trash WoW, there is very little reason to blame the phenomenon for the unimaginative drivel that has followed in its wake.

-Birk
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 5:41PM Fakeassname said

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it was a good article but I still find fault with it, WoW is a problem because it's flavored the entire market. 12 million people apparently preferring a format is a hard thing to argue with when all things corporate are run by statistics.

anything that is NOT "WoW" is probably going to fail because 12 million people wont like it's format.

anything that is "WoW" will fail because 12 million people already have the genuine thing.

damned if you do and damned if you don't, but to do nothing will result in your business shutting down. I'm no EA / SOE apologist (it may be a doomed endeavor to compete with WoW, but they could at least try a bit harder) but I do recognize their plight.

we need more Guild Wars and EVE and Fallen Earth and ... not that we need more clones of them, but that we need more successes like them. we need more unique titles and less retreads the swing the statistical pendulum away from WoW. however, until we get that, WoW will maintain it's virtual monopoly of the mmo market and will be inflicting a negative impact.

Denying the fact and declaring that WoW clones failing is not WoW's fault is just sticking your head in the sand. sure, those titles were failures for their own lacking merits even without WoW's presence, but to deny that WoW had any influence in the respective failure is technically wrong.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2010 11:10AM Doc McFish said

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Fine! Then I Blame Canada!
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Posted: Oct 28th 2010 6:58PM Musicchan said

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I agree 100%. This article is everything I've thought about WoW and MMOs in general for the past few years. Warcraft is a good game; it's not Blizzard's fault that no other game company can see past it to produce anything other than clones.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:11AM warpax said

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is this some convoluted way of defending the mess that is FFXIV by claiming because of WoW we've become used to used to "common modern mmo standards and conveniences" that innovators like SE and FFXIV are poorly recieved?
lol

Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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I doubt it. If anything, I think it's aimed at the staunch defenders of that mess of a title who claim that noone gets it because they've all been brainwashed by WoW and don't know a quality product when they see one. Check out any FFXIV article here and you get those guys backslapping and high-fiving each other about how great the game is and how bad WoW is in every conceivable way and how WoW's playerbase sucks.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:25AM (Unverified) said

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LOL How do you get any link to FFXIV in this? It talks of WoW clones, not FFXI clones. Most notably WAR is a target ("WoW with more PVP...").
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:35AM Solp said

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I don't even know where to start with that comment, warpax.

So I won't.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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Sneaky - because the article was written by Eliot Lefebvre, who is Massively's account manager for the Square Enix account.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 10:19AM (Unverified) said

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Hell yes. I've grown so tired of the negative attitude towards WoW simply because it's successful. But that's the nature of being successful. Eventually, the popular hit is now just the bandwagon, and everyone is simply riding that bandwagon. To be "above it all," one must buck the trend and look for an upstart. But it's hard to find one when everyone is trying to imitate WoW. So what's the answer? Blame WoW, of course *eyeroll*.

Excellent article, I could not agree more.

Posted: Oct 12th 2010 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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I like to call that "The Microsoft Effect". The biggest dog in the yard is the one everyone growls at for some reason. It wasn't long ago that you could walk into any coffee shop and there would be some guy there with black rimmed glasses and a neatly trimmed goatee sitting in the corner smugly tapping away at his "screenplay" with as many apple stickers as he could find stuck to every flat surface he owned. Now those same guys have this sweaty hard edged look due to months of passionately defending what apple has turned into in the last couple years. And they know they can't, so they are all trying to figure out how the hell to become Linux fanbois.
There was a great episode of Family guy (season opener) recently where Brian got called out for always wanting to be on the losing side, no matter what that side was. There are so many people like that in the world, and the gaming legions seem to have the largest portion. I am trying to come up with a good phrase to describe that "Underdoggers" "bottom-boys" "The oppressed of the Month Club"
I am sure one of you will come up with something witty ;)
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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I wouldn't say people hate it simply because it is successful, but because it is the MMO equivalent of a boy band.

Take something good, water it down to appeal to the lowest common denominator by offering the feeling of achievement without any challenge, slap a shiny veneer on it and let the hype machine do the rest.

The people that think popular = good have never listened to a Jonas Brothers album.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 2:10PM (Unverified) said

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Enamelizer,

I think this article is addressing you directly.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 2:43PM (Unverified) said

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Heh I was just imagining him in his black rimmed glasses =P

WoW isn't anything like a boy band, as if you are into it you can pretty much be assured teenage girls aren't into you. Challenge does not a good game make (look at the new final fantasy game....). In fact the harder the game is the more childish the player base seems to be. In my opinion because older players simply do not have the free time or patience to fiddle with something for 23hours before it rewards them with a taste of fun. I play games for fun, if a game isn't fun in the first couple hours its going on the shelf of shame. Of my 3 hours a day to game 2.5 of those better give me endless joy or im moving on.
Those that find fulfillment in the challenge of digital worlds usually have none in the meat world.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 3:21PM (Unverified) said

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The article is about people blaming WoW for the "poor state" of the MMO genre, a point I never even addressed. In fact the article was a series of "captain obvious" statements, laid out as an extremely basic logic exercise.


What I was addressing your point that people hate on WoW simply because it is successful. That is absolutely not true, there are plenty of things in our pop culture that are both wildly successful and generally beloved (ex: the original Star Wars).

What people love to hate on are things that both suck badly and have large mainstream success. Things like boy bands, fast food, Toyota Carollas, and WoW fall into this category. Products that are not very creative, highly watered down to appeal to the largest segment of people possible, and yet somehow break sales records.

WoW as a game is bad on its own merits. If you to think that people only dislike it because it is popular, then hey, whatever helps you play at night. But this is a logical fallacy, simply not true.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2010 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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Enamlizer there's one HUGE flaw in the "WoW is bad" argument and that's the difference between fact and opinion. Like it or not WoW can't be called a bad game when it completely eclipses every other MMO on the market. You can say you don't like it all you want but to say it is a bad game is just plain wrong no matter how you feel about it.
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