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Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:29PM DrewIW said

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"I highly doubt CCP would ever sell items that give an in-game advantage for cash"

Plex for remap.

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:47PM Brendan Drain said

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The difference here is that it's not a direct advantage over other players. You can't buy something to make you do more damage or even special implants to speed up skill-learning. All the remap for PLEX does is make it feasible to remap for skill plans shorter than a year. You already get one free remap per year, and new characters (who would have short skill plans) get an additional two free remaps to begin with.

When you take into account that people can already buy ISK with cash through PLEX, players are definitely blowing the whole neural remap for PLEX issue way out of proportion.
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Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:55PM DrewIW said

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"When you take into account that people can already buy ISK with cash through PLEX, "

That is fairly plainly "in-game advantage for cash", whether players want to admit it or not. PLEX for remap is a natural extension of PLEX for Carrier or PLEX for +5s.

Trying to frame it as some spectre in the future is entirely disingenuous, since it's already happened.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2010 3:16AM Dblade said

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It is a direct advantage, because it lets people train a lot faster. It's expensive, but using paid remaps on top of the two you could have can cut down training time a lot, especially if you plan to use a skillset which requires all three informal groups of attributes(int/mem, per/will, cha), like a command ship.

I honestly thought this was a rumor or fake thing happening when first I heard of it. This is worse than even some F2P games, because there is no real way to ever replace the realtime spent learning skills by grinding harder. Can't see why on earth CCP is making such a naked money grab with this, as opposed to just increasing neural remaps in game by one.
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Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't EVE Online already have micro-transactions with PLEX? A player can purchase 2 PLEX for $35 and those each can be sold on the market for roughly 300+ million ISK for a 30-day extension in the game. That in itself is purchasing in-game gold. That IS a type of micro-transaction. Technically it's the best way for developers to fight off gold-farms (but it's on that only works in a game like EVE were risk is very high compared to any other "carebear" MMO out there.....WoW especially considered).

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 7:06PM Brendan Drain said

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That's true, PLEX are a form of RMT and in essence can turn anything bought for in-game ISK into a cash-based microtransaction. They've already got an extremely effective microtransaction system that most players have absolutely no problem with. If they're worried about being left behind by industry trends if they keep EVE's payment model the same, they shouldn't be. They're way ahead of the curve on this one.

I think what they're trying to do now is think of ways to increase the demand for PLEX. They're already useful to players as game time and they're a useful way to donate to charity. I can definitely see further things being introduced in the future to drive demand for PLEX up even more.
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Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:43PM (Unverified) said

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To an extent, PLEX (in the form of raw ISK) is already being used as a currency for people paying for services offered by other players within the community. These are generally not game breaking (kill boards, forum hosting, etc), however some 'services' like merc or mining gang hire could be considered as being an advantage being paid for by rich players (with ISK, or RL cash to buy then sell PLEX).

These are considered to just be part of the game.

As far as buying real world goods with PLEX, the choice would be limited only to items that CCP themselves would be selling. Yes, buying E-ON or stuff from the Eve Store would be a nice touch, but being able to pay for my internet connection using PLEX generated by playtime would be a whole new ballgame.

Problem is, for this to happen, CCP need to put in place some system of being able to turn PLEX back into real world money for third party companies to jump on-board.

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:44PM GusSin said

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Ok I am not a regular EVE player so I don't claim to have any valuable opinion on the subject but there is something I don't understand here.
If ISK = Plex = Money then isn't every transaction in the game is a micro-transaction? I mean every time you buy a ship component in the game you are spending ISK which is effectively plex and therefore $$'s.
It seems like they just added to the game something else you can buy. Correct me if I'm missing something.
In addition I'm gonna go ahead and suggest that ICC should make it possible for players to buy standing with NPC corporations using ISK. I mean come on, you donate (bribe) huge chunks of money to any organization and they will like you right? why don't we have that mechanic in EVE?

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 6:57PM Existentialist said

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As an EVE player, I say no. Period, end of story. No appearance items, not neural remaps, PLEX is fine, anything else, no.

There is no discussion about it, run all the articles you want try to convince all the people you want that cash shops are the thing of the future. That is largely it seems the prerogative of massively's staff (with a few exceptions).

I don't want it, and now EVE players are saying they do not want it either. The forums are rabid with "No's" because I left other games that fell to the cash shop craze and came to EVE. I think a lot of people that play EVE are in the same boat as me and want a "pure" game.

You have 90% of all of the games on the MMO market already, go play them instead of wanting to infect the game I play with the same sickness that has infected all of those other games.

Don't underestimate the EVE player base, they alienate their base EVE is over. I quit SWG, I quit EQ2, I will quit EVE if they introduce cash shops and I am not alone.

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 7:08PM Psychotic Storm said

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PLEX itself is a microtransuction and an unfair advantage ingame, so why such buzz if they add more?

Though if they add clothing for PLEX I hope they plan big packs of clothing because a PLEX is no small amount of cash.

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 7:13PM Joshua Przygocki said

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Why not make a craftable item in game, that costs about as much ISK to create as a PLEX would in game. Like 400mil or so now, isn't it?

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 8:12PM Scuffles said

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Its obvious they are trying to feel out how adding a more of a cash shop to their existing PLEX (which is arguably already being used as such by the players) cash shop into the game.

Every company in their dog is trying to figure out how to double dip and keep their subscription numbers healthy .... or at least make more money with what they keep than they would with what they lost. Generally the answer to both is going F2P because you can loose essentially all your loyal game base and make that up with new players within the hour.

The only real answer to their question is No.

Yes and Cosmetic only are essentially the player base saying "We will gladly shovel more money at you at the slightest provocation" and I have never understood that .... I realize that companies are out to make a profit but why would people willingly say "please, PLEASE, Charge us MORE!!!"

The only difference between Yes and Cosmetic only can be summed up as "would you like that to hurt now, or later?" because if you say cosmetic only it will shortly turn into "Yes" the only thing you have bought yourself is half a year at best.

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 8:27PM (Unverified) said

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I must be an abomination, but I think they should allow you to turn in Plex for chunks of Skill Points. This doesn't harm any other pilots, and people have been exchanging money for time for centuries. (have these people never heard of an employee?)

Posted: Oct 10th 2010 8:28PM (Unverified) said

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Hipocrits or ignorants.

EVE Today: Buy 29$ PLEX item and covert it to 800million ISK, then go the market which is already VERY STREAMLINED MICROTRANSACTION STORE and buy the best ship you CAN fly.

Tomorrow: Do the same plus get a new haircut or corp decal to your ship.

Facebook´s Farmville: Buy Facebook points and spent them at the very streamlide Farmville store to pimp your cows.


I think this whole behavior from the EVE community is due to the word "microtransaction" being a well know feature of games like Facebook´s Farmville, which represent everything the EVE community hates.

None the less, this is all baby cry since EVE already does the same thing.

Posted: Nov 15th 2010 5:11AM Doran7 said

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[quote]EVE Today: Buy 29$ PLEX item and covert it to 800million ISK, then go the market which is already VERY STREAMLINED MICROTRANSACTION STORE and buy the best ship you CAN fly.[/quote]

Except there seems to be a problem with your brain being missing... The "VERY STREAMLINED MICROTRANSACTION STORE" is in fact a player based market... so what you have it some guy agreeing to buy you "the best ship in the game" which you probably can't fly for another year... in return for paying for his [b]subscription[/b] for some odd months, hardly a micro transaction that would produce a hypocrite.

I don't mind game stores per se.. but things I want to buy there are out of game merchandise.. or game time cards.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2010 2:20AM Unverfied B said

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People buying PLEXs then using them to pay for stuf, buy supercaps, buy characters or even pay for SOV stuff.

I don't see how it can be anything besides Pay2Win.

Neither do i see how this adds any value to the game.

Posted: Oct 11th 2010 2:37AM (Unverified) said

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plex would become more expensive maybe?
but big movers within the game would have access to the very end of any advanced skill they would desire (those with the skills to remap to one they needed) and they would use it to further manipulate the game.


I mean, why have unlimited remaps within a game that literally takes years to develop certain skills that you otherwise wouldnt reach?

PLEX is all this game needs, if theyre considering this, its because they wish to up the value of it.

Posted: Oct 11th 2010 4:15AM Rodj Blake said

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Remember two years ago when CCP ran an April Fools' Day joke about them introducing microtransactions?

Well I guess that the joke's on us :(

Posted: Oct 11th 2010 4:14AM smg77 said

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Anybody complaining about plex for remaps is retarded. If they were selling overpowered ships that you could only buy with plex or cash that would be one thing but they aren't.

This is a bunch of whinging about nothing.

Posted: Oct 12th 2010 2:46PM distiler said

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CCP doesen't earn more money by selling PLEX for monthly fee payment: one buys it from CCP and then sells it ingame to another guy, this guy will use it for monthly payment: total payment to CCP is 14$, not twice. So there no problem here. And one can sell PLEXs and buy an already developed char, that is waaay faster than using PLEX for neural remap.

Neural remap in the other hand makes more money for CCP (it's a perk, not the equivalent of the monthly fee). But I feel ok with it: neither creates inflation like other MT systems do (remember, there has to be another guy in the other side with isk to buy it) and neither makes you really more powerfull than I can be (you'll get there quicker, well, no problem in EvE)

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