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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:16PM dudes said

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EVE Online's Incarna released = STO doomed.

Posted: Oct 7th 2010 5:48PM Rich said

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Nah, probably not because a majority of the fan base for each game is mutually exclusive from each other.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 6:14PM zetetic said

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ugh please don't compare it to EVE. I tried EVE and absolutely hated it. I'm sticking with STO. You can go enjoy your EVE expansion.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:34PM (Unverified) said

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comparing Eve with STO is way off base, CCP wont hold your hand through content, doesnt really care that the "carebears" cry ( they seem to enjoy the tears actually)...w/e, If the STO players didnt like Eve pre incarna they will never like it after, as it is nto going to change the core mechanics of the game.

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 7:04AM dudes said

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Thanks for the replies, very interesting. I will enjoy Incarna, thanks very much. Looking forward to creating the avatar in the winter *EXPANSION* release. Isn't STO due an expansion? Oops, doesn't look like it.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:34PM Ocho said

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Haha! Sorry for being a downer, man.

Keep in mind, I love this game, and the weekly episodes actually prompted me to pick up a multi-month sub. STO, for all its faults, still gives me that Star Trek flavor I got while growing up, and for that I still really like this game. So for that, I really want the weekly episodes to continue.

Also, I think that "In addition, I'd like to see some solid, fun challenges for players who are looking to maximize their character builds." makes it sound like instances of some kind that would drop static items of the highest caliber. Thats just how I interpreted it, though...

Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:43PM Interitus said

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No paid expansions likely means no playable new factions like Romulans or Cardassians. The amount of work that would be needed to add a new playable faction would have to be a paid expansion (or a really big free one). You can't micro-transaction your way through something that complex.

I also hope they add different sets aside from borg. Not even just race specific but class specific. I'd like to see more small cosemetic changes on ships.

Posted: Oct 7th 2010 5:06PM (Unverified) said

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What? New factions are easy. Same old missions, same old pew pew just new textures onto old models. Thta's the way they do everything in this sorry excuse for a game...
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:43PM vicryixiv said

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We've had a bunch of big mmo's go free to play in the last few months, several others have never gained any traction. Eve online has always put out free expansions and the next generation of MMO's are going free to play micro trans (clone wars adventures comes to mind).

World of Warcraft, Everquest and Lord of the Rings (who went free to play) are really the only ones successfully selling expansions at this point arent they?

Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:47PM Interitus said

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CoX and AoC had expansions this year. Maybe a few others I'm forgetting.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 4:55PM CCon99 said

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City of Heroes and Age of Conan both recently sold successful expansion packs as well.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2010 6:26PM Tom in VA said

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I don't think STO is a strong enough game to justify an expansion. Stahl is correct. What's happening to STO is akin to what happened to LotRO, a lackluster and dwindling subscribing player base. Comparing STO to WoW just doesn't fly therefore, imo. STO would be wiser to focus on going in a F2P direction than to head in an "expansion" direction.

What STO needs to do is continue to offer the "weekly episode content" and then offer certain special type things (a Romulan faction, for example, perhaps) as an MT option in its C-store.

STO is going to get into trouble if they drop those weekly episodes, especially, as we head into 2011, and some of these newer MMOs (SWTOR, GW2, etc.) and other games hit the shelves. The weekly episodes, along with other types of ongoing tweaks and improvements (mission architect, Klingon PvE content, some kind of sector space improvement, etc.), are probably my major incentive to keep subscribing.

Once those weekly episodes end, however (if they do), I'm cancelling my sub.

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 3:53AM Bezza said

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Ironic isnt it, that the most common complaint about STO is essentially the lack of content, wether it's new episodes, taskforces or completed playale factions it is the one complaint that has never left STO.

With the admition of filling out the Klingon Faction as too hard by the Devs, and the obvious failures of Cryptic to deliver serious content to what is already a content poor game it really reveals somthing about Cryptic Studio's. They produce a lite mmo game in two years and then fail to provide solid content while cashing in as much as possible (re: paying for emotes!) at the C-Store.

Cryptic have lost their way, STO was never trully "star trek online" and looks like it will only ever be "starfleet online" I defended this title when it first came out, i paid for a lifetime sub, but as i watch from the sidlines in the hope that game will improve I am not encoraged at all. Get your shyte together Cryptic, your an embarassment and i won't be spending my $$$ on another of your games now or in the future. I weep for this franchise, the game has so much potential and Cryptic just keep dicking around on crap that is non essential. The Devs at Cryptic need to freeze all work on anything other than completing the klingons as a fully playable faction. Till STO has two (or more) fully fledged playable PVE factions the game is nothing more than a pleasant distraction for two weeks. Then you shelve it and move on as you realise there is sweet fu*&k all to do once you max out a toon.

I hate to be so strait forward and scathing but enough is enough. The game has been missmanaged and things are not improving. weekly episodes indeed. who are they kidding.

The only thing possative i can think of is thank the gaming gods that SWTOR is being made by Bioware!

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 2:11PM (Unverified) said

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I couldn't agree more

From the moment that i heard that they would have micro trans-actions i knew this game was essentially over before it began. And with the reviews of gameplay, the utter shallowness of content, the total and complete lack of effort in building the heart of the game Stahl seems more and more like the talking head of STO.

Stahl and company have ruined a Star Trek Game franchise, their incompetence in handling a Star Trek IP is stunning. A complete lack of honesty, transparency and forethought have characterized both his and the companies actions towards this game.


Not that Massively has done any better, of all the articles i have ever read only one actually touched on a controversial subject which was of interest to the players of STO and this was the C-Store. Outside of that it has basically one long uninformative cheerleading parade from the writers at Massively.


It makes one wonder just how difficult for Mr Greene, or any of the other writers at Massively to pick up a phone and actually, and hold onto your pants - call Mr Stahl - and actually have an interview and ask him some question about the problems with this game.

The actions of Stahl is pathetic, but really Massively is no better.
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Posted: Oct 8th 2010 7:01AM dudes said

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If some dev's say 'no expansion' that means 'game is doomed, we are milking you for what we can then dumping it. Thanks for your custom. On to Never Winter Nights. Thanks, bye bye now.'

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 9:46AM goatfoam said

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Resubbed a week ago after staying away since beta. Cancelled today. It's still terrible, mind numbing drudgery. The sad thing is Cryptic just doesn't seem capable of fixing it. To be fair to them, I actually think that the core concepts and mechanics of the game would be unfixable at this point for most companies.

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 11:38AM Vrazule said

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Guild Wars 2 will have a business model that depends on paid expansions. So no, that is not the direction of the genre. Sony still releases paid expansions for EverQuest I and II as well as Turbine for Lord of the Rings Online and Mythic for Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot. It's too successful a method of income to throw away, even for free to play games.

Star Trek Online is not a popular game and therefore they don't want to make expansions that would be just as unpopular. They'd have to release one that completely revamped the game to have any hopes of selling enough to make a decent profit.

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 3:05PM Harley Dude said

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Did even the most delusional fanbots really think the "weekly episodes" were really going to be forever?

LOL at the idea that the industry is moving away from paid expansions. Maybe for epic failures like STO that don't have the player base or dev manpower to justify paid expansions that might be true. I guess DStahl hasn't heard of an imminent paid expansion for a little game called WoW.

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 8:37PM (Unverified) said

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^^ im looking forward to it as well, ive been playing Eve for a few years happily & human avatars can just make it better imo, but still...what im saying is "eve isnt for everyone", some people just dont like the harshness of this style of game......you know ^^

Posted: Oct 8th 2010 11:10PM Lionhearted said

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I would be seriously bummed to see the end of weekly episodes -- it's been one of the things I've *really* enjoyed in STO -- having extended, cohesive and somewhat epic storylines are a GOOD thing.

Seriously, Cryptic, keep them. Build on them. Enough of these 'series' of them and there will be enough content in the game that it will finally be where it *should* be.

I've really liked STO, it's a fun game. Even the flawed ground game is so crazy that it's fun. The ship combat is great. There's just not a whole lot of content -- and people can literally fly through the game. I only play 2-3 nights a week and I'm nearly max level, and I only started the game in around August. I'm at the point where I can see the end of the tunnel -- I'm going to quickly run out of content, and there's just not enough in the game to keep people playing after they run out of content. So, here's hoping STO keeps up with this, it's certainly one of the things that keeps me subbing.

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