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Posted: Oct 4th 2010 9:27PM Its Utakata stupid said

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I would really like to see more critique of the Free to Play models with cash shops. Normally, I see many writers here who are okay with it...and one F2P militant (I won't mention Beau's name). There has to be someone among your staff that distrusts that model the same way I do. If not, please hire someone who does...

...I love to see this Soapbox! where this stuff gets aired. :)

Posted: Oct 4th 2010 10:53PM Brianna Royce said

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Hey Utakata,

I'm betting you would be really happy to see the Ask Massively we did back in August, the one that rounded up all the staffers and got them each to weigh in on the freemium debate. The opinions are actually pretty varied. ;)

http://www.massively.com/2010/08/05/ask-massively-free-to-play-edition/

-Bree
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 12:42AM Its Utakata stupid said

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You know...the worst thing about that, I might of even replied to that artcile in question. /sigh

...short memory is a short memory. Can you folks at Massivley ever forgive me? :(

Anyways...after reading all that again, let me rephrase my request:

Is it ever possible now to have a regular column that's for alternative methods of pay other than F2P's? I know there's one which is very pro F2P...but this one I'm requesting would counter balance that. Perhaps Jef Reahard, Greg Waller or even you could right it...even in turns.

Anyways, thanks so much for pointing that out to me Bree...

...now I must hang my head in shame for making an ass out of myself. :(
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Posted: Oct 4th 2010 10:27PM cic said

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Would be nice to see you speak your mind on the subject of Turbine's downloader/patcher loading hidden system processes in the background on user's systems and leeching bandwidth without any transparency.

I wrote a letter to the massively staff about this issue and suggested they inform their readers but never heard a response back...

I think what Turbine, Akamai, Aeria Games, NetDevil, Kuma Games, and ijji are doing is very dirty and shameful. Especially since a lot of people have to pay extra for their bandwidth when it goes over their cap. It also causes latency issues with online games and bandwidth fluctuation that hinders all other online activities.


http://www.unhelpful.org/2010/02/15/underhanded-and-sneaky-pando-ddo-online-and-turbine/

http://torrentfreak.com/game-companies-should-play-fair-with-p2p-100901/

http://torrentfreak.com/akamai-gamers-arent-p2p-bandwidth-slaves-100915/

Posted: Oct 4th 2010 11:29PM Laren said

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This soapbox idea would be good, if you guys weren't already on soap boxes 90% of the time... (or so it seems, from a loyal readers chair)

Your pieces on ffxiv were absolutely terrible, and it really hit a nerve. I'm looking back on the other entries you've written (lotro f2p and algalon come to mind), and it makes me wonder. I've started to question why massively is at the top of my bookmarks bar. :(

I do like your passion for these games, but sometimes it appears to blind you.

Posted: Oct 5th 2010 1:05AM Seraphina Brennan said

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Scarr,

Tell us where we went wrong with the FFXIV pieces, and I mean that. I thought we were pretty balanced with the pros and cons of FFXIV (although I do understand that we did go pretty hog wild on the coverage of the game overall, but I thought our First Impressions were quite spot on.)

LotRO f2p... I can see where you're coming from on that. But Alganon? We were all over both the good and the bad of that game. I know Beau's piece was favorable, but both Shawn, Eliot, and myself wrote negative impressions of the title over the span of a few months. Let me dig the links out:

http://www.massively.com/2009/11/12/anti-aliased-we-put-the-no-in-innovation/
http://www.massively.com/2010/01/11/first-impressions-alganon/

But, honestly, if you can point out some areas where you consider us to have failed, we can go forward and learn from it.

~Sera
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 3:39AM Its Utakata stupid said

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I think one should go back and read Sera's brutal trashing of Mortal Online. Or Aion "having no soul." So it's not all sugar, spice and all things nice when it comes game reviews here. Just saying...
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 5:29AM cic said

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This whole soapbox is interesting because I really would like to see how they plan to avoid biting the hand that feeds them. Will they get nitty gritty? Will they expose real truths that go on in the MMO industry that they are unhappy with... ? Or will they just placate the statistical passive reader into a doublespeak induced coma with their newspeak?

I'm honestly, not that opportunistic for any real journalistic change here. This seems like damage control more than anything.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 10:47AM Laren said

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It all starts with this gem: http://www.massively.com/2010/09/10/anti-aliased-a-few-thoughts-on-the-final-fantasy-xiv-beta/

Yes, it is supposedly a 'opinion', but it seems like you came to your opinion with just a couple hours of playing. fwiw, I had the exact same thoughts as you, before it all went very badly. Specifically completely wrong in this article is that the story in this game is anything but epic.

Then you have a few articles on the amazing graphics and opening trailer. My problem with that? You fed the hype engine for this game, instead of trying to be balanced about it, knowing that your words will cause people to waste money on it. And the graphics of this game are 'good', but at the same time, completely fail. Put another way, the graphics engine of ffxiv yields some nice details. However, the world is anything but fun to see. 3 boring tile sets repeated throughout.

http://www.massively.com/2010/09/20/a-world-of-warcraft-players-guide-to-final-fantasy-xiv/#continued is all about making a player coming from wow excited about this game. It does a great job at doing that. It however, is very biased. Chalk it up to another article leading the reader on to thinking this game is actually worth spending money on at this time.

... continuing on... still no warnings about this game

http://www.massively.com/2010/09/21/a-crafting-and-harvesting-primer-for-final-fantasy-xiv/#continued glosses over all the short comings of this system. oh wait, there is no gloss, they just aren't mentioned.

(won't let me add more then three urls) "What scares me about final fantasy" post. Finally, something real to read about this game...oh..nvm.... title is misleading. "I'm scared I'm going to like this game too much", this, after gushing over the intro scenes (which are good). Does the story continue to be engaging? Does ffxiv even give you the opportunity to enjoy the story? Is the player immersed in this epic story in the world? not so much...

Then game the "First impressions" entry. Again, chocked up as an 'opinion', this first impressions article is all about the game play in the first couple hours, and gives the reader no concept of the game. Yes, the opening quests and story was really cool. yay?

Here's the summary of all this: After being burned by previous mmos (waste of money), I was looking to massively for guidance on whether I should jump into ffxiv, and got nothing of substance. I got very short sighted opinions, hype, and some biased systems reviews. Playing the game for more than two hours yields a large list of items that says "stay away until march, at least!!". Haven't seen one post that even comes close to being a 'well rounded review'.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 10:59AM ShawnSchuster said

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Very valid points. But there's no big secret on how these things work. There's no giant underground operation of payoffs and money laundering to get positive reviews out. Wanna know the secret? Here goes:

Me: Hey, who wants to write up a preview of Final Fantasy XIV? It's getting ready to launch. Anyone in the beta?
Enthusiastic staff member: Oh me! I'd love to!
Me: Ok, go for it. Anyone else?
*crickets*

I personally wouldn't write a review for any FF game because I don't like them at all. It wouldn't be fair for me to write my first impressions because it would end up like this: "Wtf is this game? Why is everything glowing?" And that's not going to inform anyone of anything.

But that said, we do constantly take your feedback into consideration, but that doesn't mean we're going to start giving everything a bad review just because a handful of you tell us that you hate sugar and spice and everything nice. We want to make sure the people who know these games are the ones talking about them. Is it so wrong that the person we have on staff who knows the game really enjoys it? Aren't these games?

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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 11:06AM Brianna Royce said

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My understanding was that the column was a way to allow our columnists to comment on various games or gaming phenomena that they don't normally cover, all in an op-ed style. It's not damage control really, and it's not meant to be impartial (how could an op-ed column ever be that?!). It's more like a way to bring balance to our coverage of certain ideas and games. We already have columns that do undercover game reporting, current events opinions, and first impressions of bad and good games, so this will allow for something a little different. Plus, it's going to be fun!

I guess it seems pedantic to explain this, but I don't want people yelling at us when the column turns out to be what we said it was rather than about poor Jef ranting on F2P all day (he needs to sleep sometimes you know!). :P I'm sure we'll have some of that too, but that's just one of many topics our staff want to tackle.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 11:48AM Laren said

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@shawnshuster

Oh, the last thing I want from massively is a pile of negative reviews 'just because'. But there is something to be said about looking at the other side of the coin. By reading negative reviews of product xyz, I get a more complete picture and able to decide if the good outweighs the bad. Negative reviews also add credence to the positive ones.

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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 5:12AM Existentialist said

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You know, the article I want to hear most is framed like this. Jef Reahard talks about the plight of the MMO gamer that found their eden in subscription based games. What the industry looks like for those players right now and if there is any hope, and if so where?

I often hear "Every game is going to the F2P/cash shop model." which is not true. I also always get a lot of push back from other players that enjoy the F2P model while I do not. I'm willing to live and let be, the thing is though is that F2P/cash shops are invading "my" games.

I've read a few of Jef articles and while he has a "live and let live" attitude about it all, what I don't see is a lot of people writing about is what do us sub-only (no cash shops/f2p) people see, what's our perspective?

So if Jef could soap box about this and maybe give voice to an ever decreasing minority of voices I would be delighted.

Posted: Oct 5th 2010 5:43AM cic said

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I would love to hear Jef "rant" on a soapbox about the value of being on an equal playing field, paying $15/month on a pay to play MMO compared to $15+ a month free to play/win MMO, with Beau ;) I really wonder which would be more expensive each month when it comes down to the end game.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2010 11:14AM relgoth said

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I personally would enjoy someone else reporting on allods online. I feel like the game has gotten too much good publicity for what it is.

Alot of the cash shop issues that are still relevant arnt covered cause they are considered "old news". Also the issue of how high the turn over rate has become in the game is never covered.

Theres plenty of evidence of this occuring on their own forums. I remember a post made on their forums showing with screen shots during primetime showing the most populated areas after the patch and how empty they were. Especially the new area released gipat. Which was quoted by one of their GMs as the place where everyone was at.

If you want to start showing people how impartial massively is, this would be a great place to start.

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