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Posted: Sep 20th 2010 11:03AM ScottishViking said

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This was a lot of fun, Brendan. Thanks for posting these stories.

Posted: Sep 20th 2010 11:12AM Brendan Drain said

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You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
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Posted: Sep 20th 2010 12:51PM Dblade said

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In getting his revenge it looks like Scott ruined the game for himself. He can't trust others, he's not going to be able to just play normally without always being tempted to scam, and he's going to have to rely on an ever-increasing amount of alts to avoid API checks and his reputation spreading.

Posted: Sep 20th 2010 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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he was just a cruel guy ) 300 mln. ISK are definitely not the amount for such heartlessness ) it is just around $11 (like here iskbank.com, for example). $4 from each - and the problem solved. but... that's just my vision..
it's really interesting what's happened with Zeeqo after that?

Posted: Sep 20th 2010 8:32PM DarthDan said

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A very dark story. Thanks for sharing both parts, Brendan.

Posted: Sep 20th 2010 9:46PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, pretty much nutshell of why i left too. Every single person i know who ever played that game, and several who never have, all say the same thing : "if they'd put up a pve server i'd go back in a heartbeat"
Would love to see one, i loved the graphics, the gameplay, just not the risk vs reward. Too much time invested to get anywhere, when any idiot who played for a month or two longer can always win (within reason) Just completely destroys the viability for solo/small corp players.

Posted: Sep 21st 2010 3:21AM Dirame said

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If that happened, EvE wouldn't be EvE. Everyone versus Everyone.

IRT Everybody

Been playing Eve for 4 yrs now and I can say there are lots of good smart, intelligent people in Eve and those are the people I deal with in general. I haven't been scammed cos I look before I leap(most of the time) but I have been ganked once cos I was flying my expensive cargo in autopilot.

The only way you're going to be able to play Eve and only be ganked once and not scammed AT ALL is if you accept everything as part of the game. You want to start a corp? Great, don't give anyone else director roles NO MATTER WHAT. Except if you know them in real life. You want to go through losec? Great, just make sure you take a ship that aligns fast. You want to haul goods to Jita? Great, whats the cargo? Can it be hauled in a Battleship with cargo expanders? If not, make sure you warp to Jita manually and not with Autopilot and if you're going to go afk near a gate make sure you've already sold what your cargo.

There are many rules to playing Eve and if you learn them and learn them well, fun is all what can be had. Eve is not a hard game to play, the people who complain about it getting ganked or getting scammed, I feel, made a wrong decision at some point and is the cause of them getting ganked or scammed. Tell me, why would you not look at a contract carefully before clicking the accept button? The damn thing says "Thousand" at the end!

Anyway, my point is. Eve can be played by anyone, you just have to learn it.
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Posted: Sep 21st 2010 1:21PM FritzFricia said

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You do realize that a PvE server in EVE in not only impossible, but it officially makes EVE one of the worst games on the planet? Not to mention it would be just like everything else out there. Besides the fact that your friends will eventually get griefed enough to quit anyway or they will return the grief. I'm sure you and your friends are not pristine paladins who follow a code of honor to the T. so asking for something like that is grandstanding at best.
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Posted: Sep 21st 2010 10:46AM (Unverified) said

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This is exactly why you should never pay ransoms. Most pirates will kill you anyway, and simply see the ransom as a few additional quick bucks.

Posted: Sep 27th 2010 12:08PM (Unverified) said

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to all you who say this type of thing is destroy the game. that meta-gaming is a disease. your wrong. to all you bitching cause you fell prey to it : tough shit. don't be a dumbass. literally. the game has been that way from inception. if you didn't get that you obviously never played UO(i know i haven't) or you don't understand the concept of a "Sandbox"

find a valid reason to complain about eve... like the fail PVE content. or epic lagg in fleet battles.

Also, as another comment did remind me... if < 1bil isk you really have nothing to brag about.

Posted: Sep 21st 2010 1:21PM FritzFricia said

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For you people who believe that EVE is the ultimate in evil marketing schemes, think about this. Your safety in WoW or any other MMO is reliant on the fact that those you have enjoyed playing with don't just up and decide to make you hate your life.

It only takes a few organized people to bring your wealthy guild down. Access to guild banks, high enough rank to remove enough people from the guild, and finally to shut it all down. Then when those people who want to recover what was lost, just turn on the PvP/go to another guild who is at war and they will never recover.

All this swindling and "evil" that is being reported in EVE is because there are enough actually interesting things going on than who just pulled in their thousandth raid and got nothing they wanted. Oh wait, while we're still waiting for your game to get new upgrades from the next patch or a new expansion comes in the next 12 years you have nothing better to do than copy/paste GM events while you gank lower levels who want to just enjoy the game.

All these mechanics that CCP has put into the game works, it just so happens that people are too trusting in games so people are going to take advantage.

Some solid rules in EVE:
Always check out each recruit in your corp.
Don't give anyone more responsibility than you can afford to lose.
Always have the option of isolating a recruit from all assets.
Investigate all flux in funds/resources as soon as possible.
3 Months as being a "newbie" will normally stop people from being a donkey. long enough at least to investigate their actions.
Finally; Always Insure your ship!

As a solo player since CBT of EVE the basics are pretty easy to follow;
Always Insure your Craft
Always Have enough isk to cover your craft replacement (All gear plus ship actually can cost more in the end than you thought due to inflation)
Always have a way out at all times.

Yes its paranoid, but aren't you paranoid in a PvP section of any MMO or any high level farm area that can be a PK zone? Since most gankings happen in mid/high level zones you HAVE to be paranoid about everything.

Don't blame CCP/EVE online, you players just can't seem to stay away from griefing others just because they called you a n00b when you started a month ago.
Always be prepared in low/null sec.

Posted: Sep 21st 2010 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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I never claimed to be pristine or a paladin, however i don't grief. Even in the games with full pvp that i played like Ultima Online, i was an anti-pk. It's not the pvp i mind in eve, as much as the "skill" system. The fact that any idiot who's been playing for a month or two longer should (based on skills) always win a 1v1, is what really has always bothered me. I don't like the time investment and loss involved in getting beaten by someone who essentially lacks any real skills.

I'm looking forward to a couple sci fi games, like Jumpgate Evolution and Black Prophecy, which both have the potential to have good pvp, even ganking/griefing for those who want to, but it's more about the skill of the player behind the screen, than the skills of the character in game. If i get beat because the PLAYER is better than me, so be it, but just because they've been playing longer shouldnt automatically = win. That's the real reason most of the people i know have left Eve, not due to the griefing itself. I actually only got ganked once, and i was in a fairly small ship, so i know he was just being a prick. He had a spec ops ship and killed me in i forget the name, but a really low level ship you can get within a day or so.
I left because what i really liked was drone fighting/mining, and i didn't want to spend the time and effort to get a carrier, just to have some guy or a few guys gank me a few hours after i got it, wasting all my time and effort. Just didn't seem worth while.

Posted: Sep 26th 2010 8:42AM (Unverified) said

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I get the feeling you didnt stay long? Really, more time in game will allow you to fly more ships or fit better guns. But it's how you use it that's important. If a 3-yr character has a monster damage Battleship set for close range, and a 1-yr character brings something for long range, all that damage goes to waste assuming he's smart enough to keep far away.

Not to mention the multiple uses of E-war, Remote repair, e.t.c.

And yes, PLAYER skill has a big factor, not just character skill.


As for the actual topic, great read. And he shouldnt feel bad about seeing every freighter as a target. ALL ships (yours included) are a target, just perhaps not a valid target at that time :)
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