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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 4:57PM TheColonel said

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Warhammer is the most terribly disappointing MMO I've ever played. Every last detail about the game felt ripped off from WoW and somehow made worse. The sum result was, for me, utterly depressing.

I'm sorry, that's just how I felt about my short time playing it.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 5:22PM mav1234 said

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Strange. What did you think was ripped off of WoW?

A lot of WAR's features, to me, were amazing. It was the little details that were problematic, like lag, combat range issues, trade skills, and the mail system. Of those, many have been revamped and are tolerable if not completely resolved.

WAR's Tome of Knowledge is amazing. WAR's PQs are fun, at least at lower ranks. The PvP in the game is nothing like WoW and is very fun, even if DAoC seemed to do it a little better. The defensive target really helped combat a lot.

I came back to WAR recently and found it a great deal more enjoyable than it was at release.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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Nice snide comment about WoW's PvP. I guess WAR is better. That's why WoW PvP is played with multi-thousand dollar prizes and WAR PvP is played by roughly 150 people.

Also, saying things like "Combat distance problems" and "Unplayable lag" are LITTLE PROBLEMS quickly roots you out as a fanboy trying to justify your failed purchase.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 6:55PM (Unverified) said

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Fel, I don't disagree with you that some of the WAR launch problems appear to be solved, but the question then remains: why does the game continue to teeter on the edge of oblivion?

Sure, the state of the game at launch had a major curtailing effect on retention, but games that were struggling have been successfully relaunched.

I think WAR is still not the game it should have been, and that's why it continues to flounder.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 5:23PM (Unverified) said

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Very lazy article. I could have spit this out in 10 minutes. Seems like someone either A) Doesn't care about the game anymore or B) Doesn't care about writing enough to take a few hours to come up with a good piece.

Absolutely embarrassing, not at all what I've come to expect from Massively.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 5:37PM Greg W said

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Thanks for reading!
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 5:56PM mav1234 said

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Little problems? No, they were major problems (I never said they were little problems), but they were "little details" in that they were not what I considered when thinking of the game. They were the "little details" in that the game itself was fine, but how it played was the problem at the time. In theory, the game was excellent and full of innovative features; in practice, it was released unfinished and lacked the polish to compete.

RE: WoW PvP, sure, arenas have some appeal, but they are not the same as RVR. WAR PvP is played by thousands every night, with huge battles. Last night there were a number of encounters with more than 150 people involved in a low level tier alone (tier 2 in this case, and I suspect t1 and t4 had far more people), so I don't know why you think only 150 people play it.

WAR has a much larger percentage of it's playerbase engaged in PvP. In a recent post, a WoW developer even admitted that the population actually concerned with WoW PvP/Arenas was probably the size of people concerned with UI creation etc. Arenas are fun, don't get me wrong, but they magnify balance issues. You can call WoW an Esport if you want, but it's barely hanging on as one, and I think WoW's shift to BG-based PvP models supports the fact the devs know arenas are not a great place to put PvP effort.

Not sure why you think I'm a fanboy. I have logged far more hours in WoW and can tell you a great deal about the game and what it does right, but there are some things WoW fails on, and PvP is one of them imo. (Cata may correct this, but I haven't played it yet so I can't say)

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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WAR has a major problem, and it's that they tried to do everything instead of just doing on thing really, really well. PvE shouldn't be in WAR, at all. The entire game should have been RvR and designed completely around PvP combat. If it would have done that, it probably would have been a lot more successful. When I played, the PvE parts were "meh", but the RvR and Scenarios were often a lot of fun. This just shows how it was bad management and leadership that lead to all the problems.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 6:22PM Deadalon said

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You pretty much summed up PVE in WAR. Exactly - its not worth talking about.

PVE in WAR is as pointless and badly written as this topic. You have to wonder why on earth both invovled bothered.

Its strange tho... All the PVE content is still in the game... Quite abit of the RVR/SC content has been removed...

It doesn't make the PVE content any better. Just show how Mythic dont care at all about the other part of the broken content in the game.

I also wonder if this so called WAR player has realised that he just wrote a whole article about WAR PVE and failed to mention public quests. Or should I say... Broken public quests....

But hey... I love football - I only watch 1 half of the field tho - and usually just the first half of the game. But Im STILL a fanboy of it ! And btw - Im talking Australian football ofc... not the sissy PVE football played elsewhere ! This makes me feel much more of a man that those billions of ppl that play PVE....

Get the hint op ?

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:43PM Greg W said

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Get what hint, Deadalon? Are you suggesting that I should quit my job? Quit playing WAR? Just not even bother doing anything because the entire universe is simply not up to your standards? Perhaps I should stop typi......
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 6:39PM Joshua Przygocki said

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I'm sorry but... What in hell is this? This article just feels lacking, repeating the same things over again throughout at least two paragraphs... This feels more like a Daily Grind topic about blame rather than an article analyzing WAR.

Is there just nothing left to write about?

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:49PM Greg W said

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Apparently not.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 8:57PM Joshua Przygocki said

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Though I must say it would be pretty hard to write about a game that sorta lacks content, so I commend your ability to go on about it for so long.

Though if I were writing for Massively and was given a choice on what game to pick, I would not have picked WAR.

Perhaps re-rolling as the other faction on another server and starting from level one for a slightly different perspective could be interesting. Maybe role-playing or getting into the lore?
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:16PM Chambers said

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hey this blog was a load of crap to be completely honest... Greg why dont you try telling me about the actual pve in WAR, be it the faults that exist or why it belongs in the game or whatever.... just don't give me a anecdote that would have been better flushed after you written it on the back of the toilet paper. Its just complete drivel because despite not actually having played WAR since it was released i do enjoy to read your columns. Just do me a favour and at least ask yourself one question before you decide to post somthing again; "could I have written this article without having played the game for 1 week/1month/6months/1year/ever" if the answer is yes then id say the idea is a stinker.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:46PM Greg W said

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Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:46PM Greg W said

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Apparently not.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:52PM Greg W said

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Listen folks,

I've written about everything I possibly can when it comes to WAR. I've even tried contacting some of their PR staff for interviews. I've pulled my teeth as long as they will go and yet, the game remains unchanged, stagnating, and completely lacking in vertical growth.

Tell me, what is there to write about, when the developers of the game themselves won't even celebrate their 2nd anniversary with more than a simple 100% renown boost for 3 days?

Did you see Champion's Online's anniversary bash?

I'm ashamed for Mythic. I'm ashamed for Mythic because they can't even be bothered to be ashamed for themselves.

Yours,
Greg W.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 8:03PM Xtofer said

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I, for one, am disgusted with how people responded to your article. Is it just not possible to show any decency or respect? heh
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 8:18PM Chambers said

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the weird thing is, thepost you just made was more entertaining than the article you originally typed out. Where are the articles written with such venom? If mythic refuse to give you interviews why dont you make that the topic of your next article.

also your repy to the guy above above quitting your job, i think if you reread what he was writting he was in support of you and agreeing with your blog.. :p
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 8:43PM Avick said

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Then maybe you should find another subject to write about than WAR? I don't know how massively works, but when you run out of material your articles stop being interesting and I'm thinking that with that the money will stop flowing anyways.
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