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Posted: Sep 24th 2010 8:17PM Its Utakata stupid said

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...conversly, if WoW is mentioned in a discussion, someone will have something negative to say about it....even after a whole frakkin week has gone by.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2010 8:14PM spamero said

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In case somebody is interested, Eve tracking guide:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071223162431/www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g25.asp

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Posted: Sep 17th 2010 8:40PM Tez said

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They won't be banned. They probably reported it to CCP a while ago, which gives them immunity. Same thing happened with Evoke and the ferrogel exploit.

Posted: Sep 17th 2010 9:46PM Addfwyn said

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I know CCP has a pretty hands off attitude on Eve players, but for an exploit like this to go unnoticed for over a year? What DO they actually do with their time, surely they have at least a few people on team looking for these kinds of thing.

I'm not surprised at the exploit, all games have them, but for it to go unfixed while being abused for over a year is just insane.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 12:17AM (Unverified) said

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I am a member of Aperture Harmonics. We petitioned this bug way back in January, and were told by a senior GM that it *was not* considered an exploit. We didn't use it until we were given the OK.

I would also like to point out that anyone else in one of the tens of other wormhole with similar effects could have figured this out and used this themselves. The information was available, nobody else sat down and thought the thing out.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 4:47AM Brendan Drain said

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With all due respect to CCP, if a GM told you this was not an exploit, he was wrong. This is the very definition of an exploit. Since a GM told you it wasn't, it's likely you won't get banned. But this is most certainly an obvious exploit.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2010 10:56AM Daverator said

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If it is an exploit could be up for debate. If the developer who made the wormhole effect wanted it to be able to be modified for a huge advantage, then it is not.

The wormhole already was obviously made to cause a shift in tactics while in it.

Now if it is smart to have such a drastic tactics / equipment / gameplay change in certain areas.. Again, up for debate.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 1:58AM (Unverified) said

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lol

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 3:06AM (Unverified) said

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I see this as a feature rather than an exploit.
This is a game where being smart and perceptive can benefit you.
WoW players stay clear.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 3:18AM SgtBaker said

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CCP Excellence!

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 4:30AM Mcgreag said

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Except several of the Evoke guys did get banned.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 4:33AM Jade Effect said

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If CCP needs to sit down and think whether someone using short-range weapons to hit a target at long range is an exploit or not, they should probably get out of the game business.

It's like knifing someone at sniper rifle range in Counterstrike, then protest, "Hey, this is an intended game design!"

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 7:09AM Mistdal said

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cant see how this is an exploit, this is the only way Ive found that you could play minmatar battleships, somewhat as effective as the other races.

if anything its a flaw in encounter design....really hope they wont nerf minmatars again...atleast not without boosting the defensive side, but that would be going against their background.

far range guns were nerfed rather hard about 2 years ago, why alot have boosted the fall off range by using modules/rigs, to allow using short range guns to kill things on range....if this is an exploit, there is going to be a mass customer murder, its a very popular setup by minmatars.

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 10:48AM SgtBaker said

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Dude! You shouldn't post after doing 'shrooms.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2010 10:41AM (Unverified) said

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This shouldn't be a surprise to the devs. I and some of my corps members found this exploit well over a year ago. It also works with having an 'insta targeting speed' using Sensor Damps. I reported it at that time and have been wondering when it was going to be fixed.

I suppose the wheel that grind slowly, etc....

Posted: Sep 18th 2010 11:03AM (Unverified) said

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How anyone can think this is not an exploit is beyond me.

If the wormhole had an effect that multiplied distance and you found a way to stack that with some other items/effects to exponentially multiply the distance, that may be unintended behavior but not an exploit. It's a logical extension of the effect of cumulative effects.

When you get maximum anything by dragging an integer below 0 you're exploiting. I don't believe there is a single game in existence where this would not be the case. This is not logical behavior except in the most extreme of meta-strategy.

I suspect a GM read the bug report and misinterpreted it. I find it extremely hard to believe they would consider this as acceptable behavior even if they did choose not to ban players for doing it.

Posted: Sep 24th 2010 4:04AM elliotrock said

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Wormholes are the definition of an extreme physical anomaly. We can only simulated and guess what could happen. Massive gravitational anomalies are used to "cheat" with space travel.

I for one wish that CCP added more crazy but physic based "exploits" to the universe and gave players who wish to work things out for themselves a chance to gain through it. Fair? Who gives a damm, its a wondeful sandbox idea.

This reminds me of the crazy but wonderful tactics that StarTrek the Next generation used all the time.

For the WoW heads that scream un-fair go back to crap hit boxes and picking up binary mushrooms.

It is fair now because both sides in a PvP situation have this advantage and other tactics will need to be introduced for the winner.

Go Kings, Go Aperture Harmonics... Absolute great reading...

Posted: Sep 24th 2010 8:11PM (Unverified) said

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This sort of make me want to play EVE even more than I did before.
It just seems to add even more to the weird, unique feel of it, in the same way as the player-run economy. Rogue corporations using forbidden technology to take control of distant star systems. God damn, that's a deep, deep game.

Posted: Sep 29th 2010 10:54PM ShivanSwordsman said

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Sooo... wait. It's ok to blackmail people, steal from people, lie, cheat people, screw them out of millions, create extra accounts so you can infiltrate their company so you can steal from them and screw them over, scam them, shoot them up and wage war for resources, spy... yet it's not ok to exploit bugs.

Someone's really high on their own self righteousness.

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