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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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You know this reads like a marketing promotion, rather than an independant article.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:51PM (Unverified) said

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It certainly promotes LoTRO but at the same time, suggesting to players creating alts to farm TP; seems like the kind of loophole Turbine wouldn't be openly advertising. I wouldn't call this a marketing promotion or news article, its more like an FAQ or guide which benefits potential players rather than Turbine.

I have a question for the author though, I have an inactive account upgraded just to MoM; if I downgrade the account when it goes FTP what perks/content can I expect to carry over?
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:00PM dustindeckard said

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What? I think Justin was pretty spot-on.

One of my favorite things about the way Massively operates is that writers... well, they get to write about the games THEY love. So articles may seem a little biased, but honestly -- isn't that what you want to hear? I, for one, don't read any of the articles about Star Trek Online, for example, because I have no interest in that game. I read all the articles about LoTRO, because I play it, and if the writer is excited (as they should be!), I get more excited.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:49PM alucard3000 said

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BlingGnome I am wondering the same,I have the whole game up to and including SoM.So if I just play one of my chars the f2p way do I have to buy all that again or if I do what I have been used to and pick my sub back up til I get bored with it again can I play all of my chars when and where I please? And I noticed he said if you purchased the MoM expac you only get premium status(2 more char slots) for $25 or less if you find a boxed one, where as before you got all character slots opened for less money- you could get the whole game with SoM for $30 dollars.IMO I would rather have them go back to the lower sub fee(9.99) model they had before SoM came out than this.
And as far as content in f2p games i play I never had to pay for more yet,for customization stuff,xp/hp pots,inventory expansion items(which could be circumvented by mule chars),better crafting/upgrade items yes but not content,I think I would rather slog thru multiple quests and mobs-even if they are similar at times to get to that hard to reach higher lvl because at least you are still moving forward than have to go back and reroll and play the same content repeatedly on alts just to advance a little on a main.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 8:27PM aurickle said

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alucard.3000, here's a breakdown for you. I'm assuming since you've got everything up through SoM that you bought the Adventurer's Pack.

If you're currently subscribing to the game: Nothing changes for you until such time as you cancel your subscription. Well, one thing changes: You start getting 500 Turbine Points a month. If you do cancel your subscription, go to the next paragraph.

If you've canceled your sub (or do so in the future): You drop from VIP status to Premium status. You will NEVER drop to free status. You will have a couple of your character slots locked. (You choose which.) You'll lose access to the quests for the levels 25-48 level range, but can still travel in those zones and fight mobs. (You'll still have the epic quests available.) Some of your bags will be lost, a gold cap will be imposed and there are a couple other restrictions. I believe that extra inventory that your bags won't hold goes in a holding area so that you can decide what to do with it. I think your gold in excess of the cap will also remain yours but you won't be able to earn more until you've dropped below the cap. (These last couple items are speculation on my part. Sorry.) You will still have the shared storage from the Adventurer's pack, access to all Moria and SoM content, access to the Rune-Keeper and Warden classes, all skirmishes that came with SoM, etc.

In short, everything you've already bought remains yours and doesn't have to be bought again. You can keep playing all but two of your characters, although they'll be restricted. If you never plan to buy a sub again, you'll probably then want to start unlocking restrictions. Most of these unlock for all characters on your account -- for example, if you buy the North Downs quest pack it is accessible to all characters.

I'm actually surprised by the number of people who complain that they'll have characters locked and restrictions imposed if they stop subscribing. After all, under the current model if you stop subscribing you lose access to all characters and can't play at all. Under the new system, you'll still get to play and will actually be in much better shape than someone who starts out as F2P and later buys some points. You won't have to buy MoM or SoM, so can advance past 50 for free.

Hope that helps!
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Posted: Aug 28th 2010 10:21AM Meagen said

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I know if I ever want someone to write a promotional article for a service I'm selling, I will insist that item 1 on the list is "pay no money at all".
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:10PM aurickle said

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Great write-up. As a lifetime subscriber none of this really makes much difference to me. But you've just very eloquently explained the argument that I've made from when they first announced this change. They're not taking anything away from current subscribers, but they're adding a lot of new options for everyone else. And even a subscriber who decides to stop paying is still going to be a lot better off under the new model than the old one.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:27PM VioletArrows said

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"Why are you just sitting there, all calm-before-the-storm-like, instead of following my lead and running around like a chicken with its head... well, you know."

Because unless the starter zone has changed drastically, giving a much better taste of what the game's going to be about, not interested in a snoozefest. Plus the way the paying people immediately started foaming at the mouth about freeloaders crashing their precious party, it doesn't really sound like a welcoming, nice, or helpful community. I don't need any more of those.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:40PM (Unverified) said

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There isn't just one starting zone, but 2 starting instances (1 for humans and hobbits, one for elves and dwarves) and then 3 'newb' zones (Bree-Land, The Shire and Ered Luin).

Most 'paying people' I met in beta were glad that there would be more folks to game with that were nice.

The human/hobbit starting instance has changed completely and the dwarf/elf starting instance is a bit different from when I played back at release.

Since it is F2P soon I would just try it out and see, making assumptions are just that until you prove them.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:42PM pcgneurotic said

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As it says pretty much everywhere on this subject, there is a revamped New Player Experience. And unless I'm living in an alternative dimension, bot the DDO and EQ2 player base went crazy at the news of their games' F2P conversions, yet both communities are, in-game, every bit as nice, friendly and helpful as you'd like.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:30PM Sorithal said

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If I currently had enough on me right now I'd probably just buy the lifetime subscription right now ><

I'm wondering if special subscriptions (the ones that dumb down to only $10.00 per month fees-wise) are going to change to the standard pricing though once this game goes F2P >.>;

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 8:33PM aurickle said

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If you got in on one of the $9.99/month offers that Turbine put out in the past, it remains yours for as long as you maintain it. If you ever unsub, you won't be able to resub at the same rate.

Those are the terms under which those subscription specials were offered, and the terms will be followed through on. Just like how lifetime subscribers are now lifetime VIP. (Except that for us lifetime folks to get our 500 free points a month we have to log into the game at least once a month.)
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 9:04PM (Unverified) said

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I used to have a 3 month 9.99 sub, but since I stopped playing a few months ago (last one I bought it was from Feb - May 2010), I didn't resubscribe. My question is, when F2P comes live, will my account be activated or something? Will I loose it? I've always wondered about this, and I've tried looking at the forums, but I can't seem to find a clear answer. And since my account is suspended since I didn't resub, I don't know what to do. I mean, I bought Shadows of Angmar, I have both Moria and Mirkwood, Lvl 65 Hunter with End game gear, and my account is almost 2 years old, prob more. Will I loose all the stuff I have unlocked, will it be canceled or what? Anyone that can help me with this is welcomed. Thanks in advanced :)
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 10:32PM aurickle said

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See my post above. Your account will become Premium status, with two characters (of your choice) being locked. And according to a post below, the devs have stated that your current characters will retain all their bag slots and gold. I suspect that you won't be able to earn additional gold until you've spent enough to drop below the cap, though.

About the only thing you should actually lose is quests for Lone Lands through Eregion. The Moria and beyond quests will still be available to you since they were part of the expansions. You will, however, have limitations placed upon your characters unless you resubscribe or pay to remove the limits. (Such as losing most of your trait slots.)
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 3:54PM Higurashi said

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Eh, I'm okay. I'm happy with what I'm playing at the moment. I can't add a third MMO into the mix, I just don't have time for that right now.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:09PM Pojoh said

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Really can't wait, too bad my holidays are over just before this F2P thing starts. I'm dreading the patch download, it's gotta be like 2 gig or something.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:36PM Oneiromancer said

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Hmmm, I'm not sure if you still lose too much when downgrading to Premium. No posting auctions or swift travel is definitely rough, and if going VIP automatically gives me the new zone (that I would have to pay for separately as Premium) I might as well just follow my usual modus operandi of LOTRO play: subbing when enough new content comes out to last me a month.

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 4:37PM IveDefected said

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My question is (and maybe i missed the answer) but what if you were a subscriber at one point, will you be able to re-sup using the F2P model and still retain your old Characters?

Posted: Aug 27th 2010 5:00PM Laren said

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Returning subscribers are automatically "Premium".

If you have never spent a penny on the game, you are a f2p rank player.

If you've spent any money on lotro in the past, you are premium.

If you are currently spending money on lotro, then you are vip.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2010 5:03PM (Unverified) said

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Is the author really serious? Before I rant a bit I'll just say that hitting mid twenties is more or less one week, so Your F2P will end exactly then.

Strategy 1 - grind till Your eyes bleed, seriously You'd better get any low payed job and pay for sub, LOTRO is a game completely focused on quest leveling. Grinding mobs is really not the way You should play and enjoy this game. Honestly imagine shire with no quests only mob killing to farm points...a nightmare.

Strategy 2 - doesn't solve anything, You have more slots for grinding...great...

Strategy 3 - subscribe, isn't it exactly what was until F2P? I mean You could play trail and then had to subscribe. Dropping to F2P after is like meeting a wall, hurts. You'll lose bags, gold limit, trait slots, instances, skirmishes. Yeah it's possible, but seriously better get a job...this isn't F2P game. You have to buy content(quests, bags, disable limits) to play somewhat seriously.

Strategy 4 - Moria is indeed quite nice option as You buy much more than just one quest pack, it's more like 6-pack with more fancy stuff. So on that I agree.

Strategy 5 - really a good one for very very casual people buying content as they go on. But is the double dipping aka cash shop + sub system worth this?

Ah and one more note, usually F2P titles offer way to get cash shop items by buying them for in game currency like in Runes of Magic. So while Turbine system is somewhat unique, it isn't something new.

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