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Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 2:39PM FireMark said

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I don't mind if female characters show a little skin, but lately it seems that developers go out of their way to have "fan service" in their games. While it's not a gamebraker for me if they have that, it does break the feeling of immersion when you see a female character that supposedly is in full plate armor that looks like she should be standing in a corner in the middle of the night, if you get my meaning.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 2:39PM (Unverified) said

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If there was skimp male armor, you'd bet your sweet ass I'd be wearing it.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 2:53PM Anatidae said

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I like sexy women. I think it is stupid when I see the armor and clothing that game avatar's wear. There are plenty of hot outfits that girls wear every day that are more complex than underwear - and functional.

I am sorry, I just don't buy the idea in Fantasy that women wear almost nothing. What is the point of armor if it just covers the nipples? It IS possible to design hot looking armor that could be protective.

Well, traditionally the core audience are boys lost in fantasy about girls. So of course the graphics are modeled for those boys.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:00PM Djinn said

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In games where the female toons are overly-sexualized, I refuse to play one even though I am female. But even in games where females are not, I often prefer not to play a female toon if the community is full of immature males. In DDO, for example, female characters are fairly realistic with costumes that are also realistic in coverage. Yet running down the bridge in my head-to-toe chainmail still garnered a "nice ass" comment. Whatever.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:21PM jimr9999us said

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There are only 3 things in this world there can never be too much of:

1. Beer
2. Bacon
3. Boobs

I wouldn't be asking "are mmog's too sexualized", I'd ask instead: "Where's all of the bacon?"

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:22PM bleyzwun said

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I don't think it's over-sexualized at all. We've been seeing the same thing in other genres, comic books, TV, and movies for years now. What I think needs to be done, is to give players more options. Players should have more choices in the way their characters present themselves.

I believe making gear cosmetic in all games would be great. It would be even better if they took it a step further and allowed players to choose how their characters stand, cast spells, and use emotes. This would allow a greater range of personalities and styles.

Posted: Aug 24th 2010 7:53AM (Unverified) said

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YES! This is what must be done!
Champions Online takes this in the right way, being able to choose clothing and poses.
Meanwhile, I might as well play TERA and enjoy the view.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:45PM bleyzwun said

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I also feel MMO players take this whole topic way too serious. Refusing to play a game based on armor is ridiculous. I guarantee the majority of these people would have no problem watching a movie, with actors/actresses they found attractive, wearing similar gear.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:42PM ChromeBallz said

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I like Tera. Or i will like it, rather. The way women are depicted in it is one of the things i like about it, but i don't think any less of women in RL because of it.

It's fantasy, and Bluehole is playing into their market, which i happen to be a part of. Just because women look like "something" in one place or another doesn't change my opinion of the ones i know in RL.

This whole 'political correctness' tripe should stop. It's only used by hypocrites anyway. "You can voice your opinion, we live in a free society! As long as that opinion doesn't deviate from the only allowed one."

Go screw yourself.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:41PM SkuzBukit said

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Personally I don't mind "tastefully done" or lore-related flashings of skin, for example:

A Mage cannot wear metal or heavy leather because it would interfere with the intricate motions needed to weave a spell & the magical fields generated by the casting, so tend to wear only cloth & not much of it

Berserker: as a near-naked huge-axe wielding melee class wearing little to no armour makes them deadly fast in combat their almost unnatural speed & aggression allowing them to avoid or deflect or parry many blows & their physical size allowing them to shrug off blows that would kill a lesser combatant.

But even with such "logical" kind of thinking I think there should be room to customise for a whole range of looks, said Mage could be short or tall but would not be hefting around a hugely muscled physique, so it's sliders would not allow you create a huge hulk of a Wizard. The Berserkers sliders would have room for movement but would all be built upon a substantially heavier muscled frame than the respective race's Mage, and upon that basis the "fashions" should allow for overtly sexualised & overtly chaste again somewhat based upon the predilections of the race and structured for it.

What I'm getting at is that over-sexualisation can have it's place within a more reasoned system of game design ethics, a Tank class wearing a 2cm strip of tin foil over her nipples & gentitals isn't sexy, it's retarded, a Sorceress barely wearing more little more than a tea-towel or even totally naked isn't so extraordinary in that context, but the player should be the one who decides what they want to see.

Why haven't developers come up with a "visual filter" for what people find offensive? It's been done for bad-language. I do NOT mean a slider where you can see naked characters just that you can either choose to see the characters as the players themselves want to see them, or where you can "cover them up" just on your PC only, so if you don't like looking at naked people then you don't have to.

I think there's plenty of room for games to have overt sexual & even fully naked characters & themes, but it has to be context relevant or it loses it's meaning, it's value, & ultimately - the point of it being there.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:48PM ChromeBallz said

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There's always the option of, you know, not playing the game if you find it so offensive?

Why do people keep having these entitlement issues?
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 3:44PM MewmewGrrl said

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I've complained for ages about the skimpy armor that female characters get stuck with in most of these games.

I like to be pretty in games, and even sexy, but most MMOs just go too over the top.

Tera is one of the worst, but it happens all over. Female butts sticking out everywhere, panty shots (including panty shots of 10 year old girls in many Asian developed games, which is just messed up) - would I really be wearing a thong running around? Does grinding like I'm in the middle of an orgasm help me somehow when casting spells? I simply roll my eyes when seeing this stuff, it's not sexy, it's completely slutty and cheesy.

When I can change my character's clothes - I end up sexy and yet still clothed. But the funny thing is I don't want them to have to change their female characters in the games. What I want is for male characters to look the same. I want to see the males running around in torn up bikini shorts, grinding their bulges back and forth when casting spells, doing every movement over-sexed and show close ups of their tight packages. I want you guys to have to deal with the same thing that us females do. The characters need to be overly handsome to. I don't just want it fair, I want revenge. I wish every game suddenly changed over to male sex symbols so that you could not avoid it.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:35PM Matix said

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@Mewmew: Sounds good to me! Throw in a ChipenDale bowtie and a stripper-dancer animation like the NightElf females in WOW get, and sign me up!

*imagines it while humming Right Said Fred's 'I'm Too Sexy'*
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:06PM SkuzBukit said

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And sure you can stop playing the games with too much skin, but wtf would you be left with?

The whole point of this thread is the question is there just too much? And the answer isn't a straightforward yes or no, but the reason why this question is even being asked is the sheer prevalence of over-sexualisation & the extreme lack of choice in the matter for players.

Choices......

That's what we demand, entitlement to choices is the issue, & I personally think that is an entitlement we should scream, cry, shout, wail, post, blog, tatto & any other way of getting that message to games developers.

Give us the players the frigging choices, and not just the "not playing this" choice.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:16PM dudemanjac said

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Women objectify themselves enough that I don't think trying to convince men to not do it will matter.

And Gooman, let's not lay this on western culture. Um.. Tubgirl?

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:46PM ChaptermasterFail said

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I love modern society. Five pages of comments full of people arguing about how oversexed games are in response to games showing hip-wiggles and some non-genital skin...and how many about the thousands of sentient creatures killed by each and every player? I've got nothing against imaginary violence, mind, nor imaginary nudity...but how can people honestly feel that seeing a virtual boob is more harmful to a kid (or an adult for that matter) then seeing virtual murder, complete with blood sprays and body parts flying in some games? Neither is harmful at all, to anyone...but trying to claim that getting an eyeful of pixelated poontang is emotionally or mentally damaging is flat out pants-on-head. And for those calling it tasteless...why is it tasteless when murdering random 'evil' people left and right isn't?

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 4:58PM Matix said

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Well, to steer your comment to the general theme of "when does X go from tasteful to tacky", I would say that as far as violence goes, if fighting creatures caused gushes of blood across the landscape, your toon left footprints in the blood, entrails got stuck to your character's boots, you split open enemies to display entrails with every kill, your toon left heads on pikes, engaged in elaborate blood rituals, and left the mangled corpses of every kill across the game landscape, etc. I'd say the violence goes from tasteful to tacky... just like showing some leg would be tasteful whereas "whip-cream with strategically placed cherry tips"-armor would be tacky.

Off note: While it may not be tasteful to some, it's not murder to kill errant or even dangerous critters, anymore than it is to act as skirmishers for hire and engage in operations against enemy forces... This goes double if the aforesaid enemy has a high aggro radius and starts it and you're just defending yourself. :P
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 5:54PM Tizmah said

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I think armor and clothing designs for women in a lot of games are rather tacky. Probably 90% of games show women in scantily clad armor. What's the reason for this, just sex appeal? As a designer, I think it's a very cheap way of designing clothing and such in general by revealing more of the body. Some is perfectly fine. However we are constantly seeing armor and clothing designs in games that look like the breasts are ready to pop out, hourglass frame and such.

Add more jelly rolls to female characters. Give our females some fat please. How about jiggling flab underneath the arms instead of jiggling breasts for once. (Not really :P, but fat is often neglected in character design..)

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 6:34PM Tovrin said

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Two things you can rely on for an Asian MMO:

1) Skimpy femal outfits; and
2) A constant grind and shallow gameplay.

Number 1: Check
Number 2: Well why change the formula now.

No thanks ... I'll pass

Posted: Aug 23rd 2010 9:52PM Somnicide said

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1. It sells, why change it?
2. It DOESNT sell. Change it.

This is the mindset BHS and EM are in atm and I'm completely behind it. Dont like the skimpy outfits or running animation? Dont play Castanics. Female Amani are probably more for you. They're ugly. Like platemail that covers something? Play High Elf. There are different races for a reason. Are you a guy who doesnt want to look like a pervert? Dont play a female. Grats, its something you shouldnt be doing anyway.

As someone who has followed the game for a long while and had the opportunity to play it at E3, sex doesnt even scratch how much the game has to offer. Just because they have it doesnt mean it is all they are relying on to sell.

All I'll say is wait till TERA's beta's roll around. I assure you you wont care in the slightest about armor as the gameplay is fantastic.
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