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Posted: Aug 18th 2010 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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Suske is 100% right there
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Posted: Aug 18th 2010 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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I think the point is the trolls who feel the need to comment on every post ever made on every website ever, reminding the world how much they hate SOE
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Posted: Aug 18th 2010 3:32PM RogueJedi86 said

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Suske, could you try replying to yourself to respond to comments people say to you? It's not a rule, just standard etiquette on the Joystiq network. It keeps all your posts about a specific thing self-contained.
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Posted: Aug 20th 2010 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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It's true a reputation is earned. But people still feeling compelled to post some raging negative comment about SWG every time they see anything to do with it...almost five years after it happened and they quit playing isn't them earning a reputation. It's bitter immature people projecting a reputation on the game that hasn't been deserved for quite a long time.
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Posted: Aug 18th 2010 1:34PM Zantom said

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Very good column! Great series!

I really enjoy SWG. There is a ton to do. It has its problems and I believe your analysis is fair and accurate. My biggest problem is that it seems that SOE has SWG on cruise control at best. Perhaps a F2P model would work out well for the game, but before they do anything to increase the population they need to work on their server lag issues.

Posted: Aug 18th 2010 1:39PM Mirin said

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I am a former player who was one of the ones to leave at NGE,( I even made them refund me for the xpac I bought right before they screwed us). I was quite vocal about it at the time, I was probably a little too emotionally attached to the game prior so all in all I think in a back door kind of way they helped me personally =)

Anywho, that being said This series of articles inspired me to give the game one more fair shot, and i am so glad I did. I completely rerolled and took the game as new, trying to forget anything I previously knew ( or thought I knew) and am currently having a great time. Space is a blast, I didn't really spend much time in space the first time around.

Any former player who has the time and is currently in MMO limbo like me might want to try this one again from a fresh perspective.

So i guess I just want to say thank you for doing these types of experiments. I find it really interesting.

Posted: Aug 18th 2010 3:44PM RogueJedi86 said

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If only more people could be like you and have a fresh outlook on the game. Too many people are attached to a part of the game that existed for barely 2 1/2 years and hasn't existed for nearly 5 years. The NGE has been what SWG is for twice as long as the pre-NGE stuff, but people can't seem to let it go. The old days were fun, but they were also old and buggy and bare on content. I'm glad you tried it again with a fresh look. Space is definitely a blast, and I hold it as a benchmark for comparing space in other games(namely TOR, which is using a system sadly not like SWG's open space).
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Posted: Aug 18th 2010 4:24PM JanChel said

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I started playing SWG again about 2-3 months ago. My biggest problem with it during my playtime (I lasted almost a full 2 months) was the server lag in regards to combat response time and the rubberbanding that occurs during travel and how all the new cool stuff goes to the trading card game as random loot cards.

Posted: Aug 18th 2010 4:28PM (Unverified) said

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This article touched on a major issue with the MMO genre, that is stigma.

Lots of games have had negative stigma attached to them that they were unable to recover from no matter how much the game had changed for the better. In some games it was a bad launch, in others a bad expansion, no matter how it happened the game forever exists frozen in that state in a players mind.

What players fail to realize is that software is just that - soft. Bugs are fixed, mechanics are tweaked, and content is added. This does not happen in a vacuum, player requests, criticisms, and subscription losses directly drive this feedback loop. The game that is frozen in peoples minds has changed and grown. It has moved on while only a snapshot in time remains in players minds.

The worst thing is it is rarely someone that has played the game recently that is passing along the negative stigma. When you dig deeper you get tales of buggy betas, horrific launches, or rants on how an expansion broke the game when the player never even gave the expansion a chance when it came out years ago. Or even worse a friend played and told them how much the game is crap, so now it is just passed along as common knowledge.

I used to buy into this myself until I played a game considered to be the most disappointing MMO ever created as per MMO tribal knowledge. However I played it since I would actually hear good things about it here and there and ended up finding one of my favorite MMOs of all times. Since then I have gone back and played many other games that are considered crap and never found a game I didn't enjoy. It really makes me wonder how these stigmas stick around so long, they definitely aren't spread by people with any sort of experience with the current state of the games they trash on forums.

Posted: Aug 18th 2010 7:19PM Lateris said

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My only complaint is the sliver skin on the action tool bars. I think it looks awful.
Did you try the DX 10 mod with this game?

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 1:45AM bcrfan said

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Honestly, this SWG chose my adventure made me resub to the game, and all the bad press aside, I'm loving it. It's just too much fun.

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 4:24AM Faryon said

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Recently got a friend to try it for a month since it was dirt cheap on steam.. He quit after less than 10 hours played because of the insane amount of really visible and awkward bugs. A few examples: Mobs inside walls (it's a lot of them). Clunky aggro system (mobs sometimes ignore you and sometimes attack from half the map away). Rubberbanding.

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 6:30AM (Unverified) said

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I hear comments like Mirin all the time. It's nice when someone who quit decides to give SWG another chance and finds it to be more fun than when they played previously.

Sure it's buggy, that's half the fun sometimes. :P But there's nothing so bad as it doesn't let you play the game. I've been at it going on 6 years now and still find things to do to keep me entertained.

Thanks for the review Krystalle.

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 9:17AM jonnyfrag said

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Much of the lag and rubberbanding concerns come from one server: Starsider. While it has the biggest population it also suffers from the worst lag. More folks=more lag. There are a couple of servers that approach the balance , with having enough people to play with and not having so many that it lags. Several servers are so low pop that there is NO lag...but alas, no people either.
The dev team is currently working specifically on the lag problems particular to Starsider and after a year of begging, SOE finally reduced their Character Transfer Service to something approaching sane (it was previously $50 with items...WAY too expensive.) It's probably not enough to really get the population imbalances fixed (many holdouts that feel they shouldn't have to pay anything for SOEs mismanagement of last years Free Character Transfer drive that over populated Starsider and killed many low pop servers off) but at least it's a start.

The game can be a LOAD of fun as long as you pick a good server. Do some research and make 'temp' toons to check out the servers to see if there is anyone there when your playtimes are. Some of us are pushing for some detailed stats to see when making or transferring toons that will help with this. Hopefully SOE does the right thing and tries to keep this game going, because many folks that would like SWG might not like SWTOR that much once they see what it really is.

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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I've been finding people on a daily basis just about who have been re-subbing their accounts to play again. Its been fun.. We are like a group of level 80-90 noobs running around doing all the stuff that seems new. And honestly I missed playing this game for a lot of years :)

And yeah jedi run around all over the place. I know because I am one now.. I might change back into an officer or medic one day but Im having fun with the way it is now.

The game needs better graphics.. if they changed that and updated the servers with new hardware Im pretty sure they'd get customers back. Star Wars is Star Wars. People like it and they'll play it to be a part of it. Older players (like myself for a while) can complain about it and make stupid comments that doesnt get them anywhere, or they can try it and have fun with it again as I have. Although after reading some people's comments about SWG, it seems they take more enjoyment from crying. Whatever floats their boat..

Posted: Aug 19th 2010 11:27AM Trippin Ninja said

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I recently returned (thanks to this article series) after leaving the game when NGE was announced. I came back to a lvl80 wookie Jedi with no lightsaber and was a little overwelmed with what to do at first. So I rolled a fresh Jedi to level 28 or so until I felt comfortable again. A little research and one "lightsaber kit" from the bazaar later and I'm in action on my lvl 80. I'm now almost 86 and have been enjoying my journey so far. Now I just need to figure out what to do with all these crates of repair kits I had lying around LOL!

As a returning vet I am glad I gave this title another shot. Despite it's flaws I still enjoy this game quite a bit. I originally thought I would only check it out for the one month but I'm planning on subscribing now so I can finish hitting 90 and then switching that fresh lvl 28 Jedi over to bounty hunter to try out some ranged combat and I might even try to make one a master pilot. Not to mention I would love to get my own stormtrooper gear and check out the pet system. Plenty of things to do to keep me busy for quite awhile.

Posted: Aug 20th 2010 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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Just wanted to give a thank you for the very professional approach to this review series!

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