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Posted: Aug 9th 2010 11:19AM Georgio said

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Crafting in Aion is dead. You get no return from it as the sell value of crafted stuff is usually much cheaper than the ingredients, and is just a kinah sink stimulating the economy of kinah sellers only. The majority of the expert craters from first 2-3 months were banned because all of them used kinah sellers services to get to the expert level.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 11:20AM (Unverified) said

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I don't envy you, MJ.

Take a look at my character. When I was done, I had to quit. I couldn't stand it any longer. Once my Miragents quest was out of the way, all that effort and frustration made me lose any interest in the game.

Search Solpadine on the NA Version.

The crafting in this game is almost the definition of RNG.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 11:25AM Vrazule said

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Another reason to despise this already horrendous game. They force you to craft in order to complete an adventure based quest, not only that, it's one that provides you with competitive armor for PvE and PvP.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 12:29PM Crsh said

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Crafting is prolly the only thing I enjoyed in Aion, I liked that I could make decent armor for myself at any level as long as I repeated the turn-ins to level up and also the special proc that sometimes gave you a better version than what you were supposed to get.

However, Aion being Aion, it's another time sink that eventually just gets on your nerves (to go with everything else).

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 12:40PM ChaosInc said

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The crafting was one of the major reasons I left. I already found it tedious as it was, but it was a sealed deal after a player spent over a week grinding mats to get an orange piece only to have it ripped from him at the end. He had one chance to proc it by the end, so it was literally a coin flip that he lost.

If I spend a week grinding and standing at the anvil, I damned well better get what I'm going for. If not, just flip the coin and save me the time....

Oh wait, Korean grindfest. My bad.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 1:27PM TheRealStupid said

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I will never understand why people feel obligated to post in threads that don't interest them. Are you really so bored?

I really enjoy the crafting game in Aion. I've got expert crafters in five different skills (Armor, Weapons, Alchemy, Cooking and Handicrafting). The Work Order system is, in my opinion, one of the coolest things to be added to crafting in a long time. I really like the ability to level up as quickly (or as slowly, depending on the case) as you want. You can take Work Orders that are close to your skill level and skill up quickly, or take work orders at the bottom of the list for s-l-o-w advancement, but more chances to get that last blue recipe.

Other games require you to grind-craft actual items for hours on end, that kills the local economy. Just try selling anything that is used to skill up on! The supply of those items is so large and the demand is so low that the economy as a whole is impacted in a very negative way. Loot drops that would otherwise be worthwhile to sell, use or upgrade are affected and everyone is affected. The only winners are the people who got in early and are already past that point. New crafters basically have to RMT just to get up to higher level, and even then it is pointless because everyone else already has maxxed their skill and no one buys anything.

In Aion, crafting only has a positive impact on the game. New crafters buy raw materials (even low level ones) making gathering a profitable profession. Because of the random nature of the crafting system, there is always demand for high-quality "proc" items. I've made nearly 5 million kinah selling crafted goods this last week.

If you go into crafting in Aion with the intention of making high-quality gear for yourself, you are going to be frustrated. But if you enjoy crafting for the sake of crafting, then Aion actually has one of the best systems in any MMO.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 1:44PM (Unverified) said

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"I will never understand why people feel obligated to post in threads that don't interest them. Are you really so bored?"

It's not a lack of interest, we feel cheated by the game and NCWest.
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Posted: Aug 9th 2010 8:53PM Graill440 said

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Listen Stupid........

Bahaha, always wanted to type that and get away with it not being a personal attack, thank you for fulfilling a fantasy of mine.

Anyway, the game is trashed, The day i saw the red face gents and streaming mascara of the Aion dev team i knew they had a bad go. It wasnt the failure of them to fully westernize the game, it was those in charge not listening to their consumers.

The devs can now give any amount of attention to this title and it simply wont be enough, once burned people never come back, the ones with common sense anyway. The hammer and nails are on the way in the form of "potentially" better MMO's.

Those that type things Like Stupid....(looks around)..... are proud of their games and time invested and want their time to remain intact and not go the way of the digital hammer of closing. There is nothing wrong with pride, also, there is nothing wrong with dissing the game when we feel like it for being burned.

If your Stupid, you like this game, but i am not....Stupid, and i no longer like this game, so i will type when and how i want on it within the tos.

(chuckle, sorry Stupid..........your blog was fine) Grin.

Back to you MJ!
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Posted: Aug 9th 2010 1:45PM (Unverified) said

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Craft is dead because of game design.
If you have to choose...spent dozen million of kinahs to try make something usefull or make quest (which give you barely worse item) what will you choose?

And honestly...over 85% of designs are worthless (im talking about handicrafting). You can obtain better/same quality items from quests/easy-to-kill bosses. If its not worhless its crafting cost can be huge (Necsium Staff = ~70kk kinah...MUST proc to get attack speed...quest reward staff from 46lvl is better because adds HP and attack speed and buying quest items is ~30kk)...so like 5% designs are worth to use them.

As Georgio says...crafting (weapon/armor/handicraft) is only kinah sink. You can earn few millions one day to loose 2x more trying make same item in next day.
With Aion crafts proc-rate you can get more kinah by selling raw mats than waste them for attempting to do something.

Only thing craft is needed for most players is to make their own potions/scrolls/food....but wait...gather mats takes a long time...lets go grind kinah on mobs then LOL

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 1:49PM PaterFrog said

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You didn't really play anything besides Aion, did you? Don't tell us what to do or not to do until you actually know how Aion compares to some of the best MMOs, namely WoW or GW and others depending on your tastes.

It's pretty normal to get caught up in an MMO if all you ever played before are shooters. Shooters just can't keep up with most MMOs in terms of teamwork and general social gaming. Never ever seen a public game in CSS where 6 people did good teamwork.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 4:14PM (Unverified) said

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WoW makes me want to vomit its so boring/easy. GW was fun for about a month. War was OK for 3 mo. EVE was fun for 6 years.

I have played Aion since launch. It has its rough spots, but the spots that shine are fantastic.
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Posted: Aug 9th 2010 6:14PM PaterFrog said

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Then that's your personal preference, no problem there.
I was actually replying to Stupid's comment:

'I will never understand why people feel obligated to post in threads that don't interest them. Are you really so bored? [...]'

I do agree that WoW has become VERY easy. But that also depends alot on your playstyle. Who says you can't make it harder on yourself? If you like the challange, just pull four times the mobs you should be able to take on, stuff like that. Get yourself some group who think like you do and instead of carefully advancing into an instance, pull full rooms at once. I guarantee you, you'll have the hardest fight ever. Make a train the the final boss or something. Have half your raid stay at the entrance. Go without a healer. Have your rogue tank. Thousands of things I could think up for WoW.

GW is largely personal taste. If you like PvP, it should be heaven for you, unless you don't like arena styled PvP. There's some PvE too and people exist, who play GW only for it's not so common PvE.

EVE is something you have to try yourself, not much use to comment on that. It's not much fun for me, but I can see why the challenge and adrenaline rush of loosing everything you've gathered for years might be cool.

Aion.., is still too young and the problem lies more with NCSoft Korea than with the game itself. Aion is a Korean grindfest. Maybe not so much as other Asia grinders but there is no Western player who wouldn't agree that Aion is quite grindy. (Except for people who think that grind only means that you need to kill the same mob for half a year to get what you want.)
Aion has it's nice facettes, but it's still very, very unpolished. Well, if NCSoft Korea wakes up, we actually might see Aion growing into a real nice and varied game
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Posted: Aug 9th 2010 6:24PM PaterFrog said

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No, wait Coniglietta,
sry, I wasn't answering to Stupid.

Was answering to some guy who wrote about Aion being his first MMO after all those FPS and being pissed about people speaking bad about Aion.

Where the comment went, I don't know.

Sry, my bad.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2010 7:29AM (Unverified) said

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Crafting is time consuming. What I do is usually gather mats and sell them. I get a much faster return just selling the mats and usually alot of them. I have done some crafting with my tailoer (crafted two levels over a period of time) but the amt of time and other materials to do mid level tailoring (xilix fiber or strong rawhide) is lulz. I remember I day I spent over six hours crafting fiber to thread then to items. Too much time, not enough profit.

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 5:12PM (Unverified) said

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I love Aion, and I craft as much as I can. At lvl 23 I had my Full set of Blue. same for lvl 28. I am now in the process of crafting my Full lvl 33 Golds.

Now I know it drains your kinah, takes forever and its super boring. But 4 me the end result is sooooooo worth it!!! My armor!! crafted by me!!! My name on it. I have no complaints because evry game has its imperfections. But im going for the gold(s)! Aion for the WIN!!!
ZIKEL ASMODIAN!

Posted: Aug 9th 2010 9:07PM (Unverified) said

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Ah, Aion...

In whatever game I play, I am an avid crafting "carebear". So it says a lot when thinking about my crafting experiences in Aion make me reflexively grimace.

It's been mentioned before - the utterly random crafting drops and the Fenril/Miragent (/tearing hair out) pretty much kill the notion of crafting for yourself. Sadly, I remember that it was the bot farmers that actually made crafting somewhat viable by keeping materials cheap.

Until Aion does something about the HORRID combination of insanely dificult requirements and random results, it's safe to say that I won't go back again.

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