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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:05AM (Unverified) said

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Slow day eh?

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:17AM (Unverified) said

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Yeah so mainstream I forgot to laugh, but then I did. Because I watched Hot Tub Time Machine which made fun of MMO players and Second Life in one hilarious stroke.

Seriously check it out that movie's funny.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:30AM (Unverified) said

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"After all, geeks are highly protective of their territory, often seeing themselves as the faithful guardians of That Which Society Rejected."

The term "elitist pricks" would have saved you a lot of words here. But not all geeks feel this way. The ones that do fail to understand that while mainstream success might drag along the dreaded "noobs," it also guarantees the long-term viability of a platform.

WoW players come in all shapes and sizes due to the way Blizzard has embraced mainstream cultural acceptance. And nearly six years later, players continue to be treated to new and engaging content.

I, for one, say let mainstream strip us of the stigma of basement-dwelling social lepers. There are some incredibly intelligent, funny, and outgoing people that I've met in my time playing MMO's. If more of them were highlighted instead of the elitist pricks, a lot of the negativity surrounding our culture would fade..

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:31AM Audacious said

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They're already subject to the same assembly line-esque, cliché checklist design pitfalls of other forms of mainstream pop culture. As far as I'm concerned, most MMO's are already there.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:44AM Loki1 said

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Well it's natural that something is lost, when catering from selected few to the ignorant many.

It's challenge, it's the learning curve, it's complexity of the gameplay.

all of the themepark MMO's are simple and accessible games, players are given gold, gear and adventure by doing... nothing. While in the niche MMO's everything is a challenge.

It's different type of gamers, i don't understand why some have to insult them, they're just players who devote their minds to a game. It's probably because it's easy to bully minorities.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:50AM Scopique said

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We're on the butt-end of the "stigmatized geek" era. Kids that are being raised now are learning music, playing sports AND are gamers. To them, gaming will be as natural as any other hobby, so it's inevitable that MMOs and other genres will be mainstream.

It's just the "old guard" that remembers when they were ostracized for gaming that holds on to the "us versus them" mentality. It's a gamers version of "get off my lawn".

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 8:52AM timthel0rd said

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They can go mainstream, that's fine.

All the people that aren't hard core, they can feed companies money, and then the companies can put all the money they made from mainstream MMOs, into a decent MMO. One that doens't suck.

Please.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 9:11AM Wisdomandlore said

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As my wife just asked me, "Are you getting tired of Facebook since all these old people joined?"

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 9:27AM (Unverified) said

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Haha... I actually wrote something about this on my blog just recently.

I've been playing MMOs for a very long time now, and when I started it wasn't something I told people about. I was pretty self-conscious in high school and I felt like telling people I played Ultima Online or Everquest would seriously hurt my chances of being popular. Yet everyday I'd log on and live out my secret second life.

It's different for me now. For starters, I'm not preoccupied by popularity, I have a good career, and a wife. I have no problems telling people what I do fun now.

My blog - lookingforhero.wordpress.com

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:06AM (Unverified) said

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Just read your blog post. That pretty much sums it up for me too. I remember chatting about WoW with some former coworkers. It was a really eclectic bunch of guys. Some were geeks. Some were athletes. One was his high school prom king. But the one thing we all had in common was WoW.

Great post, by the way. I highly recommend it to all of the other readers here.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 1:05PM (Unverified) said

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@ Devv

I'm glad you liked it. I've played video games almost all my life, but MMOs have probably had the largest effect on me, for better or worse. Occasionally I still get the "Ew, you play those things?" comment, but I shrug it off. Those who won't give MMOs a try just because of ill-gotten, preconceived notions are truly missing out.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 6:40PM (Unverified) said

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In response to the debate here, I made a new post exploring what it means to be a "gamer." I'd appreciate any feedback given.

lookingforhero.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/what-is-a-gamer-anyway/
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:10AM (Unverified) said

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"A million people like this game, so now it sucks" isn't the best marketing philosophy. Anyway making some MMO's accessible to more casual players like me isn't going to hurt anyone. Hardcore players can still get their kicks with hardcore content or more hardcore games, while casual players can run heroics and grind out that next hamster mount or whatever.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:20AM Nickelpat said

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Why not? More players, more money, more games. The logic may go that by going mainstream, games will become simplified. Although in my mind, another bit of it is saying, if games go mainstream, developers have firm beds of income and are able to take more risks as they can absorb more losses.

Bring on the mainstream.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 3:49PM mattwo said

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to the guy who said linear bioware games I'd like to point out KoTOR
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 3:57PM Nickelpat said

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By linear I don't mean the dialog choices, but the fact there is no open world. You go from one place to the next, to the next. I don't mind though, it strikes a great balance between choice and openness, with the dialog, and constriction to allow for a great story to be told. But you are not allowed to go roam around like you can in something like The Elder Scrolls series. You are going from A to B to C to D playing through some of the best storylines ever.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:08AM (Unverified) said

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It angers me when soccer moms and middle-management golf dads call themselves "gamers". And being a player of Facebook games DOES NOT A GAMER MAKE.

Right now, I will give you a perfect example of the difference between a gamer and a casual player of games.

Real gamers have played at least TWO or more of the following games through to conclusion with at least one fully developed character.

- Dragon Age: Origins
- Mass Effect
- Mass Effect 2

If you have not personally completed TWO of the above games, you are not a gamer. You are either an MMO addict (and your excuse for not playing those games to the end is that you don't have time, LOL) or a casual player of games, in which case you probably really DON'T have time, but you can make it up later by spending your hard earned office-job paycheque on microtransactions in your favorite internet, iphone, facebook, or f2p MMO.

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:27AM Nickelpat said

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Or you don't like linear, BioWare style RPGs? Granted I love them but I know plenty of people who play lots of games and are definitely what I would call 'gamers' in the way that they are part of the gaming culture and community. They just hate RPGs.

There's not really a strict definition of a gamer. If we do go by the note you must play a BioWare RPG, then you must also play:

- Fallout
- Fallout 2
- X-COM: UFO Defense
- Zork

All are classic, if not historic, games. I know plenty of gamers who have no interest in them though. They prefer competitive games, or games with more action. You can't say "You must play this game to be a 'gamer'." that's pigeon-holing the selection of games and those who play them. I say, you must play a game to be a gamer. If all you play is FarmVille and you still want to proudly trot out and call yourself a gamer, have at it. Granted I don't think anyone will take you seriously when you do so.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:37AM Kinau said

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And you, sir seem to be a BioWare fanboy. Congrats!

P.S. Can I haz SWOTOR hype pretty please?
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 10:49AM (Unverified) said

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I'm just gonna say what we're all thinking. You're an idiot. I'm a 35-year-old gamer. Know what makes a gamer? I've been playing games since the Intellivision. Your criteria of determining a gamer based on forking over your allowance to BioWare doesn't make you look edgy. It makes you look stupid. If that was your goal, congrats. Mission accomplished.
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