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Posted: Jul 30th 2010 4:14AM Pitt said

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Umm 30 million return, if you lose your 160 mill hulk, good insurance scheme they have...
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 2:16PM Surelle said

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You can hinder gankers during Hulkageddon just like they try to do to miners, even if you have a brand-new character.

Some friends and I lurked on the Hulkageddon 3 public chat channel, seeing what systems the gankers were recruiting gangs for. Then we'd fly there and alert the mining community, posting warning messages in Local throughout every system along the way too. We also publicly announced any ganker names we saw in Local.

The gankers not only left for other systems without attacking anyone, but whined and quoted our alerts in their chat afterward, hehe. Then they got really paranoid about there being "spies everywhere!" and began only calling out general areas ("Jita area gank gang LF more"). We still found them pretty easily.

You'd be surprised how many other anti-gankers joined in on the fun, too. We saw many snipers, repper ships and traps with "bait mining ships" set, besides other players who jumped on the "Local Warnings" bandwagon. You see the kills on the Hulkageddon killboard, but you don't see all the failures, or thwarted/halted attempts. :)

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 2:44PM ScottishViking said

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Nice! See, that's why I think the negative reaction to Hulkageddon is so overblown. It opens up lots of nice counter-piracy opportunities for groups looking to get some highsec kills.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 2:54PM Brendan Drain said

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As I've always said, it takes a proper tangible villain to make a hero out of people. Hulkageddon participants are a clear villain, and you are one of the miner's heroes. :)
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Posted: Jul 29th 2010 2:43PM (Unverified) said

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If only playing Eve was as much fun as reading about stuff that goes on in Eve...

Posted: Jul 29th 2010 6:39PM JoeH42 said

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Unless someone has done something to be rude or hurtful towards another player (especially a friend) I never try to play in a way that's going to make a game not fun for other players. If someone enjoys mining and not doing PvP in EVE then let them, it doesn't hurt you. If you have to be insulting to them and call them "carebears" to make yourself feel like a tough guy then you're only broadcasting your own lack of self-worth to the entire world.
Some people seem to think that there's no skill in being a good miner, and indeed you can do a mediocre job of it easily enough, but the good mining players and corporations work at becoming the best at doing what they do. PvPers seem to think this takes no skill but they're wrong. I personally don't think PvP in EVE takes much skill unless you're talking about an actual fleet battle, it's mostly just a matter of having a good ship and has little to do with the skill of the pilot (there's plenty of MMOs where PvP relies on the skill of the player but EVE isn't one of them, hate to break it to you). So I don't know where PvPers in EVE get off feeling like they're superior to anyone besides other PvPers. But then I'm a fairly mature person who doesn't base his self-esteem on others and I have a hard time understanding those who do.

Posted: Jul 30th 2010 6:39AM (Unverified) said

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@JoeH42.

You are castigating all pvper's as having exactly the same outlook when in fact, like any other playerbase subsection, we have the full spectrum of player types. Some mature, some immature, though it is interesting that you should bring up the old maturity debate.

A pvper goes for any target flagged; miner, inferior pvper, equal pvper, gank, fleet, whatever. If he/she fancies their chances at taking out a target then its game on. Now that doesn't mean they belittle their opponent, its simply gameplay to us.

I pvp because I personally find it far more fun, and far more challenging then any other playstyle, not because I have some innate need to flex my e-peen in a computer game. By trying to pigeon hole every pvper as some kind of socially inept dullard you are in effect being as ridiculous as those pvpers who think that every pve'r is some retarded carebear.

I'm sure mining takes skill and planning to be good at, but surely part of the need for such skill as a miner in EVE is through the threat of being taken out by pvpers. MMO's that have no risk to their 'crafting/resource gathering' proffessions are far easier due to the simple fact they don't have to plan for attacks from motivated player assailants.

The nature of EVE is in the player interaction, its that which gives it such complexity and depth.

EVE needs miners, it needs pvpers, the heady mix of industrialist style players and the risk presented by the pvpers is what gives the game such appeal, and long may it last.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2010 11:36AM Djinn said

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@Dune, he said "IF you have to be insulting to them and call them 'carebears' to make yourself feel like a tough guy" (emphasis mine). He didn't say they all did this, he said if you are one who does...
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Posted: Jul 30th 2010 2:13PM Abbieray said

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The way I see it, we were made into capsuleers by our corporate overlords to be as ruthless and scummy as we can be. If you can learn how to roleplay, you can begin to think of pvp as less of an exercise in manipulating the game mechanics to your will and more as an action that perpetuates a complex and unique storyline we know as the eve universe.

In this story, every action is justifiable, since the chapter of undue pain and suffering caused to mining corporations by the malicious actions of those bastard pirates adds depth to the storyline rather than takes away from it. Capsuleers are intended to be ruthless, and sticking them in eve to run as macros is an afront to the ability of other miners who really play to make isk their own way. However, even when the macros are mining right under the noses of their human competitors, the humans do nothing, accepting their pitiful salaries over the chance to ruin their macro's prospects by attempting a suicide run on their hulks. In the end, Concord justifies it. Yes your ship gets blown up, but your security status is there as a gift from concord that tell you you've been a good boy and they can give you a warning for what you've just done.

So what stops the miner from achieving power over his own domain and promoting the epic struggle for isk that is eve? Himself, he refuses to play the role of the capsuleer, he refuses to play eve the way it's supposed to because it is somehow ethically wrong. If that is so, then let him whine at the bar when he can't afford the quafe+ because of how little he earns, us other capsuleers will have the quafe and cognac, stirred and on ice, please.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2010 7:19PM (Unverified) said

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@Djinn,

He said 'if' and the went on to insinuate 'all'...

"PvPers seem to think this takes no skill".

"So I don't know where PvPers in EVE get off feeling like they're superior to anyone besides other PvPers."

Eitherway aside from semantics i'm not entirely sure what you are arguing about.

Posted: Aug 1st 2010 10:04AM godlyhalo said

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To all the carebears out there, Hulkageddon was announced on many public forums weeks, possibly months before it even happened. Why didn't all those hulk pilots think, "Oh maybe I should do something else for these 9 days instead of mining because there is a little something called hulkageddon going on". I have no sympathy for the thousands of idiots who failed to read the forums, listen to their corp mates, listen to local chat, hell READ about the game you are playing. It was even published on the main news source for ingame content of EVE. There was no excuse for not knowing about the event.

Posted: Aug 5th 2010 1:16PM (Unverified) said

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Forums are a hive of scum and villainy. I don't go to them if i can help it.

Then again, I'm a supporter of events like Hulkageddon. It breaks the monotony of grinding and farming in games.

But yea, I'll let it be a surprise :D
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