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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 5:18PM Thac0 said

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Well, look at it this way. Since about half of some content is already on the C-Store it would be great to not have to pay a sub and perhaps spend that money accessing the content. As things stand now i can only see STO being better for going F2P because it would lessen the double dipping feel we already have from overused C-Store.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 5:30PM (Unverified) said

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Look the subscriptions for mmo's has been the same for almost 10 years.
Cryptic is a small company, not like blizard.
so i can understand that they can use the monney to keep the game going?
I know alot of people are gona say well they have monthly subs. Ok thats right.
But maybe thats not enough to keep going.
And if you dont wana buy the stuff from C store then dont buy them.
You can play the game fine without ever buying from there C store.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 5:37PM WonderPenguin said

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I would love to see STO go F2P for the same reasons THAC0 mentioned. I don't particularly have a problem with Cryptic wanting to use the C-Store, but I do feel like the prices are way too expensive. The fact that the newest additions made today are per character and not even per account just scream that if anything they are moving more towards Allods.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 5:45PM (Unverified) said

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Cryptic has sold lifetime memberships to STO. What happens to those players? If they do STO on a Turbine model, does that mean that the lifetime subscribers are like VIPs-for-life?

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:09PM Sam not Spam said

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Yep. I think Turbine did a good job in making sure that the lifers still have a great deal.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 8:17PM Liltawen said

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Yes but STOs Lifetime Memberships are quite different from those in LOTRO-they were available only Pre-launch (sight unseen as it were) and were noticeably more expensive (now $300 vs $200).

While DDO was successful, if LOTRO can be as well is still up in the air. I wish people would just wait and see how it plays out before talking about how great it all is.
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Posted: Jul 16th 2010 6:35PM RyanGreene said

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I agree, Liltawen, we haven't yet seen the impact F2P will have on LotRO. I focused mainly on Turbine's success converting DDO, which we know to have had a serious positive effect on the game and its playerbase.

It's not unreasonable to suspect that Turbine will transition LotRO pretty ably as well, but you're totally right that that remains to be seen.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 5:46PM Daemodand said

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Cryptic used to be this fun little indie developer spending four years to make the world's first superhero MMO. Then they sold CoH, started work on a Marvel MMO, Marvel pulled their license and Cryptic went quiet for several months.

Cryptic then emerged from its slumber, but with a difference: it was wearing a goatee! DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN!

People slowly began to realize that mirror-universe Cryptic had a different business model: turn MMOs out like sausages, let them age out in a year or two, and replace them with a series of new, equally disposable MMOs. If they closed in two year, it didn't matter, they were obsolete and Cryptic's double-dipping of sub+cash shop would have made a tidy profit by then, anyway. And if the maintenance mode MMOs managed to survive longer than two years, so much the better because it was all icing on the cake by then, anyway.

It was a good plan, and it would have worked too, if only it wasn't for those meddling kids and their dog, who figured it all out and pulled the mask off to reveal old-man Emmert was really the culprit all along.

And that's when Cryptic went bankrupt and went away forever, and the industry learned its lesson not to turn MMOs out like disposable sausages. Ok, I made this part up, but everyone likes a happy ending.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 7:37PM Saker said

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Have to say I love this post. Haven't followed Cryptic enough to know if I agree or not, but very well written regardless!
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:05PM Sam not Spam said

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I'm highly curious to see where things may go. At least for me I don't see where Cryptic would get a steady stream of revenue. Sure, the occasional ship or such, but not anything else. At least as I've played, they would have to alter a fair bit to work in items that could be regularly used (and thus sold) by regular folks not playing at the harder difficulty levels and such.

Ironically, I think City of Heroes (which Cryptic is no longer affiliated with) would be in a better position to go freemium with microtransactions. They've already go a fair number of big-ticket items ($10 themed booster packs, respecs, transfers and renames), but certainly large Inspirations plus regular enhancements (TO, DO and SO's) could be sold. Tailor coupons and XP bonuses would be doable (would require no day-jobs or PatrolXP for free folks). In-game ads for free players. Stuff like that.

Granted, I don't especially want to see COH go freemium, but if it was for the good of the game and they followed Turbine's model where subscribers get everything? Sure, fine. I just find it ironic that their original baby is better poised for such changes than their newer titles.

Posted: Jul 16th 2010 2:02AM Lionhearted said

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I don't see why CoH is in any better position to go freemium. Honestly, I think its too dated to appeal to the masses in a way like Champions or STO could. I just don't see millions of new players running to it when its graphics are about as good as EQ1's, but without any of the character or charm... and it's just funky to move a mouse around in that game. I don't mind the graphics, but I do mind a mouse-system that moves backwards....

STO (and Champions, for that matter) could quite easily go "freemium." I think you'd see those games do what games like DDO do... charge for new content and 'zones' and the like. STO could provide enough free content to move up to, say, level 30... then start charging for new things, as well as offering the sub which just gives you everything + a monthly allowance of c-cash to spend in the c-store.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:45PM (Unverified) said

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I won't buy one thing from Cryptic or Blizzard while I have to pay a sub fee. Not one. Maybe when I level out in each game and get bored with doing dailies will I even consider it. So .... as long as they keep adding weekly content in STO and all those raid dungeons in WOW up goes my middle finger to paying for a sparkling my little pony beeeoootchhhess!. Can I type that? Seriously, am I a loud to type beeeeoootchhhhess?

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:50PM ViRi said

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I almost bought the Lifetime Subscription for STO good thing i didnt.
However if SWTOR offers a Lifetime option ill jump. unless its $300 or more.

Posted: Jul 16th 2010 12:36AM Samael said

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I have enough faith in BioWare that I might jump on a $300 LT sub for SWToR. But if it is the usual $200, then I will get it without a second thought. If I can have a LT sub for CO then I should have faith in BioWare, a company that has never ever let me down in any way.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:50PM (Unverified) said

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I would love to see Cryptics income statement.I would love to now what breakeven is on STO. Just sayin'.

Posted: Jul 16th 2010 4:51AM (Unverified) said

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Well, this is the end of if I guess, I canceled my sub last month because I found the game not ready and figured they couldn't last anyway. Now it just shows that I was right in no playing it anymore. As a trekker, this really saddens me. I was hopping for my dream game and it wasn't even better than an average game. I had unrealistic hopes I guess.

If they kept it to where the game is playable in full without the addons and the addons were only cosmetic as they are now, I wouldn't have a problem. But there is no money in that. Also, the worse thing that pissed off a lot of player is them not finishing core functionality like the klingon PvE content or the horrible ground combat(FPS would have been perfect), or memory alpha (professions) etc. I mean, had they done that before the game came out, there would be no need for this freemium crap, people would have been playing.

Posted: Jul 16th 2010 6:30PM RyanGreene said

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Let's keep in mind that this is mostly speculation. Daniel Stahl was musing about future possibilities more than anything else. Even if the folks at Cryptic might be leaning toward making the switch, it could be a long time before it actually happens.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 7:52PM BubleFett said

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Jack Emmert was completely against such nonsense of F2P.
To go back on this would be sacrilegious.
It would be a sign that STO is not pulling the numbers.

Personally I wouldn't play STO even if it went F2P.


Posted: Jul 15th 2010 8:20PM deadborder said

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F2P would be about the right price to convince me to go back to CO, or to give STO a try beyond the Demo.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 8:47PM XOR said

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"Geezuz, there are still so many things wrong with our game man, and the peeps they say they no likey us, and our subscription rate keeps falling. What should we do?"

"Umm, how about free-to-play!"

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