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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:12PM oxlar said

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The biggest problem I've had is that the guilds tend to be classic cases of collectivism and groupthink. They go way overbaord to be Politically Correct. Its like walking on eggshells when on and difficult just to be yourself without 'acidentally' offending someone for something unintentional and stupid. Then you get discriminated against for not being a part of their PC hivemind.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:24PM Saker said

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**BLEEPED BY EDITOR FOR TROLLING OFF-TOPIC --BREE**
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:17PM Saker said

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We simply live in a very psychologically sick and immature society. It embraces elitism which means there are those who are "less", "unworthy", "second class", etc. So we have all kinds of discrimination's.

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And you have the long history of discrimination against Jews, and at the least a looking askance at any "other" religion if not outright discrimination. The patriarchal bases still gives us strongly lingering sexism. Certainly have racism and homophobia in high degrees still in 2010. Kids still seem to believe they can throw around "that's so gay" kind of comments casually. May be casual, and meaningless to them but certainly not to many. As for the "N" word I'm not even comfortable writing it, that's one of those words that's got such a powerful "charge" to it. I don't believe a white person should -ever- say that one in any context. Or frankly should any non-gay person use gay, or fag. Agree with Lateris above, it''s about being respectful.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:28PM JustPlainJim said

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Hey M, aren't you being discriminatory by using blanket statements about Christians?
Oh, and "kids"?
And why shouldn't a white person ever use that evil word? You seemed to isolate them. What about a hispanics/asians/elves/membari? And why should a gay person only ever use 'gay' in a conversation? Does that include using it in the literal sense?

So, that's religion-ism, age-ism, racism... Hmm, going for the full set there?

Most people forget that "equality" goes both ways.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:44PM oxlar said

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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:03PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:10PM oxlar said

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Oh? How so? What makes it not possilbe? Are you just going to speak in rhetoric and platitudes or actually base your assumption off of some thing tangible?
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:59PM CreativeGamer said

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Well, I'm Black AND Gay and I can tell you quite frankly, that I wouldn't tolerate either word under ANY circumstance. Because if you're any friend of mine, you'd take the time to understand WHY these terms are never acceptable by me--because you'd be privy to the weight and impact of the history associated with them.

What I've observed over the years is the differences in those that do and those that don't use the offensive (and yes, it is ALWAYS offensive) vernacular is a Generational one.

Younger generations today have a lack of understanding, experience of the history/empathy for WHY these words are viewed oppressively. Opting for a mindset of turning a "negative into a positive," or using them as "jokingly endearing."

Which is my mind is a poor-piss excuse for using them all together. These words are born out of a space of impacting in a harmful, hurtful and degenerating way. So, this isn't about being "PC" as you've tried to illustrate in your last few posts, it's about Ignorance pure and simple.

Ignorance that neither you or your friends know or even care about the atmosphere you create by giving life to these words.

Ignorance in the fact that you're only choosing to see things from that bubbled space and not a realistic one.

Because I can tell you right now, as a man who grew up in the state of the birthing-ground of the KKK, and been in situations where I had to fight for my own fucking life, because some assholes decided my being gay, interrupted their own miserable existence--I'd invite you to re-think the "casualness" of these words, because my experience says they'll always be otherwise.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:26PM Saker said

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**BLEEPED BY EDITOR FOR TROLLING AND RELIGION-BAITING -BREE**
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:33PM oxlar said

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You all have been text book participants in this 'Group think' excercise. Congrats. No where in my post did I condone or use any racial or sexual slurr. I didn't even define the topics that I was talking about. And to be honest, I WASN'T talking about using the n word or calling some one a F@#. Yet you folks have some how construed that I am refering to these things. Way to hive mind. Good job on condeming someone without cause, just your imagined infraction.

I simply made a statement that I have noticed a 'type' of discrimination and you all imediately jumped on some stereotype that you concocted. Yes, YOU ALL PROVED MY POINT! Is it any wonder we have people throwing around words like racist and bigot for no other reason than political ends? I think you need to take a hard look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers out of ignorance.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:45PM Saker said

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**BLEEPED BY EDITOR FOR POLITICAL TROLLING, ALSO FOR THE SHEER CRAZY -BREE**
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 4:32PM oxlar said

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**DELETED BY EDITOR FOR TROLLING, COME ON GUYS, THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL DEBATE -BREE**
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 5:38PM JustPlainJim said

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Well, I was going to reply to M, who was replying to me (ya know, use a troll to feed the troll), but it seems Bree's been smart and axed a good portion of the comment section that, in all honesty, was off-topic. Kudos, Bree! You may have helped me keep what little dignity I had left on the internet!
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:12PM Dblade said

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I've seen far less discrimination for being gay in MMOs than being devoutly religious. I've known more pre-op transsexuals in games than religious people. And being religious is the one acceptible bashing target in modern culture.

There have been times where on forums or in game where someone wants to create a Christian guild gets savaged just for doing so, as every prejudice people have about religion starts to surface. The same people would never do so if it were an all-woman or lgbt guild: if anything they'd be banned if they tried.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:30PM Degu said

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Thanks for having the guts to say this. The ol' 'F' and 'N'- words will get you booted and often ostracized by the MMO community. Some asshat decides to make really sick, lowlife jokes about my religion, and idiots start crawling out of the woodwork to join in on the 'fun'. I am a Tridentine Rite Catholic; I don't make a point of that in-game, but somebody has an issue with it, they can just piss off...Not interested in their opinion or their jokes stolen from Bill Maher. It has nothing whatsoever to do with killing orcs or kobolds.

Then you have the gearsnobs, but that doesn't bother me near as much. Often the game mechanics enable and encourage that kind of crap (radiance in LOTRO, etc).
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:46PM (Unverified) said

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@Degu: I'm sorry that happened to you. It sucks. I'm not religious myself, but I very much dislike it when people bash others just for their religion. I do wish people were more cognizant of that as an issue, and I'm glad to see you and Dblade speak up about it.

I certainly have my own personal judgments/biases about various organized religions, but I do my best to judge individuals on their own merits, regardless of their professed beliefs. And I certainly would never dream of interfering or protesting about a group of people forming a guild around being Christian or whatever else.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:15PM Pigeonko said

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One of my EQ2 characters has an Islamic name. You can kind of see where this is going, especially being on a populated PVP server.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:26PM Heyooooo said

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"Or maybe -- and this is far-fetched -- you've been discriminated against solely because of your lackluster gear or less-than-optimal character build."

Actually that's the only type of discrimination I've ever experienced personally. :/

I've never had anyone insult me for what my character looked like, what the name was, or anything I said. But I HAVE had people go "Looolool Noob, you don't have -insert drop here- so you OBVIOUSLY suck. L2P Scrub."

I didn't realize that not running the same raid every day to get a drop meant I'm automatically worse at the game then you. :|

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:44PM VioletArrows said

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For being black (been chased out of forums and kicked out of groups).
For being a woman (have been harassed inside and outside games).
For standing up for myself (aka being a bitch)
For being nice ("why did you pass that up? stupid bad." ....*holds up badges for better item* "meh, you're still a bad.")
For playing an unpopular race (all Tauren women are fat lesbian whores, we sent a newsletter out about this the first week, where were you?)
For playing an unpopular class ("Huntard" 'nuff said.)

What the ***BLEEPED BY EDITOR** is wrong with the gaming community?

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