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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:53PM saintnicster said

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And for those of us that try not to meta-game, what do you suggest?

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 12:58PM (Unverified) said

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Is it me or do revolutionists like this force everything into black and white? Who says 'Tyrant' is an evil dictator who'll happily give a few lives for the sake of a few hundred when car bombs can take out several people for the possiblity of one?

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:00PM Anax said

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Your second-last paragraph is an awfully close paraphrase of the last bit of Damon Knight's famous story "The Country of the Kind":

'You can share the world with me. They can't stop you. Strike now - pick up a sharp thing and stab, or a heavy thing and crush. That's all. That will make you free. Anyone can do it.'

Was that intentional?

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 9:13PM Eliot Lefebvre said

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It was a very intentional homage to one of my favorite short SF stories, yes. It's also an excellent read for the point of view of someone who believes himself outside and above a utopian society.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2010 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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Interest, but your depiction is so black and white. What do you say about the populace in general? Those who are not part of the resistance. They are obviously happy with choice being taken away from them. Maybe they're happy being sheep knowing that they'll always be taken care.

Forcing choice on people for the sake of choice isn't any better. Paragon City is full of choice and freewill yet for all the good happening in Paragon City there's just as much if not more evil happening in the city and on the Rogue Isles. If there wasn't we wouldn't need a City of Heroes. Is that truly a better alternative than Praetoria?

People choose to be sheep and the Resistance is no better than Cole by trying to decide what is best for them.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 5:11PM Raithnor said

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It seems to me there are 4 sides to Praetoria, not just 2.

The Corrupt Loyalists - Who care about their own power and advancement within the regime.
The Idealistic Loyalists - Who work within the system to help society.

The Idealistic Resistance - Those who have been outcast by the system and seek to topple the regime..
The Aggressive Resistance - Those who don't see the problem with collateral damage to achieve their objectives.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 2:38PM GMax said

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When choice is taken out of your hands you're no longer human your just a machine made of meat following a set of instructions and any deviation means either correction or termination. Human beings have this pesky little thing called free will (some will put that in quotes because they choose not to believe in it, they irony boggles) even the simplest tasks require choice: go out to eat or stay in and cook, read a book or watch TV. Aqualisk says "Forcing choice on people for the sake of choice isn't any better", well life is choice.

There will always be those that want things as simple as possible to keep their head down and accept the status quo even if it means their own oppression. They've convinced themselves that this is the best it will ever be and that's faulty reasoning that has most likely been instilled by the aforementioned status quo. We're suppose to think, we're suppose to make difficult decisions for ourselves and not let someone else make it for us even if that way is easier.

The CoX dev's have made it clear that Going Rogue will be a gray area and there will be reasons to be a Loyalist rather than a Resistance and still be considered fighting for the greater good. Alternately, be a part of the Resistance and be considered a bad guy. Of course this will all come down to the choices being made and the consequences thereof.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 4:02PM Meagen said

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Interesting counterpoint to the last column. It's say the reason these two articles feel so black-and-white is not because of the actual views presented, but because they give the impression every single member of Cole's army and every single member of the Resistance would say essentially the same thing. In real life, even when there are two factions in clear conflict, there are many reasons people can have for picking one faction over the other.

Posted: Jul 14th 2010 9:15PM Eliot Lefebvre said

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Most definitely. I'm going to talk more about the motivation behind the columns in a couple of weeks.
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Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:41AM Jeromai said

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Wrong question. The scenario goes something like this:

Your entire family will be kept safe. We're going to protect all of the lawabiding citizens on this street. We want to do that, we really do. But you know, there's a problem. One or two families in the houses around us are not honest-to-God patriotic Americans. They're easily swayed by outside influences and there's a high chance they'll be convinced by lies and persuaded to shelter terrorists. And you know, the moment the Resistance is around, things blow up and innocent people get hurt.

Every Cole-loving citizen knows what the right thing to do is. Keep a friendly neighborhood watch. Pick up the phone and call the PPD or the Seers if you suspect something is wrong. That's all. We'll handle the rest.

You say you can handle a gun? You have superpowers? You can do more? Well, my friend, you have met the right people. Come on down to the local PPD station and sign up with us. You can do your part in protecting your family and the good people of this Earth. Pay no attention to miserable hunched souls sitting in lockup, they're criminals – they've hurt innocents. They're just misguided rebels and we'll be taking care of them...

(The final word “permanently” will never be spoken, just implied.)

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The Loyalists are the in-group. If you meet all their criteria, you are part of the tribe, part of the protected 'good' people.

You're just like them. You'll be safe. Sure y'right. Dream on. For everyone else, anyone who is different, who doesn't make the cut in their narrow viewpoint, you're out. You're evil. You're the bloody enemy. They've gone and made you the bad guy. You're the victim of their self-interested regime.

You're left with no choice BUT to fight back. It's a witchhunt. They've cornered you like a wild animal, and they're going to find out that you can bite. Because you're not going gently into the good night. Because you have a voice and you're going to make yourself be heard.

They will find you. They will kill your friends. They will hunt your family down. If they catch you, they will brainwash you until you're just like one of their soulless robot automatons. The sad reality is, you're going to lose. They're so many, and you're so few. They can read your 'effing mind if you get too close. But you hang on to hope anyway.

You hang on to the few people you've met that are just like you, spat out by the machine that told you to behave their way or else. Your small cell, your family now. You know there are other cells out there. All believing a little differently, sure. Some of them are pretty violent. Some of them believe odd things. Some of them you don't want to associate with either, but the regime lumps the rest of you in with them and labels all of you as traitors.

Hell, no, you're patriots. You believe in embracing individual freedoms. The freedom to choose to be good is also the freedom to make mistakes and go bad. Diversity is strength. Individuals may well fall and fail, but ultimately, our society is all the stronger for allowing different people to flourish – a monoculture dies together the moment the environment changes, but a network and web of diversity lives on. It's like the internet – decentralisation makes it strong!

But you're in a hard place. The proponents of the one true way are doing their best to stamp you out. You may not exactly agree with the other cells' beliefs. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend. At least for the moment. Because you're all united in the common understanding that Marcus Cole, the Tyrant, should not be at the top of this cushy little system that makes sheep out of ordinary men.

You may never talk to the other cells, it's not safe, makes it too easy for the jackboots to find you, but you know they're there. You want them to know that you're here too. You're not alone.

Every spraycan of graffiti, every explosion, every missing fascist with only his helmet left on the floor is a communication. We're still here. You can't get rid of us by shutting us out of your society. Our voices must be heard too.

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:47AM Jeromai said

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Sounds like the Loyalists to me.

Woops, were you talking about the Resistance? :)

(Rhetorical question, by the way, s' just a matter of perspective.)

Posted: Jul 15th 2010 6:51AM Jeromai said

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Neat article by the way. Especially the ending. Only the scenario question needs a bit of tweaking.

I think there's a lot more Resistance viewpoints out there. The Loyalists have a party line - if you do deviate from it, you better keep a low profile about it. The Resistance is everybody else the Loyalists deem as trouble.

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