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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 10:09AM Nickelpat said

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Higher some guards and put a PvP fit on that Hulk! :D :P

Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 1:42PM Nickelpat said

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And I feel like a moron now :P Shows what you get for not paying attention to what you write.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 5:02PM Fausts said

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No, you were right the first time. The format here doesn't allow for editing which can be clumsy when you want to express yourself quickly. By "higher' you might have meant:

• Higher guard and vigilance.

• Escalation of barge and exhumer defenses

• Raising awareness and education amongst your comrades. Which includes alternative ideas of generating income as a group during this time.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 10:35AM (Unverified) said

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Blowing up hapless miners in this game, hulkageddon or not, always put a smile on my face.

Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 10:53AM Streamweaver said

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I don't really feel passionate about this one way or another, which is ironic since I'm a miner. Eve is a sandbox game and players do what they want, fair enough. I do think this highlights some very poor game design elements on CCPs part however and conceptually it's never good when players shut down an aspect of the game by bullying other players.

The biggest problem is really that this just highlights what a joke mining is in Eve as a profession. I may way more ISK doing other things than mining, I get most of my rare ore from reprocessing salvage and things like can flipping seems to be at an all time high. Mining ships are among the least interesting, least versitile and least useful in the whole game.

Wouldn't it be more interesting and there be more combat options of the game were designed for combat ships to be hanging out in space for length of time instead of shut up in stations? That's not the design in Eve though as combat and all other high value ships are shut away and resources horded inside of stations while the least defensible ships are designed to be the only ones sitting out there in space.

Given the reality of the game then why not Hulkageddon? It's not new news that CCP doesn't give a fig about miners, why should the players?

Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 11:09AM SgtBaker said

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Huh? I guess you didn't read this devblog then:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=746
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 11:34AM Streamweaver said

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@SgtBaker I've read it and hope that actually happens. Right now it's just a blog post though and until something happens in game to actually change the gameplay I think it's fair to say it's only a blog post along with the others about Comet harvesting and any other promised changes to mining across the years.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 11:41AM motorun said

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**deleted by editor, please don't troll on Massively, thank you! -Bree**
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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@Streamweaver: You realise everything mentioned in that "Life and Death" devblog was implemented in Tyrannis, right?
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 12:32PM Streamweaver said

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@Ameliorate

I do and I appreciate that but it has to translate to an actual impact in the game before it makes a difference. Currently I'm not seeing that impact, in fact the only effects I'm seeing are hurting miners, not helping. Mineral prices continue to crash, returns from mining are still far below other pursuits in game of similar or less risk or skill investment and can-flipping is more prevalent than ever.

I do appreciate the attempt but it's going to take more than an occasional dev blog post and a couple of changes to the drop table to turn mining around in Eve. It's going to take the same kind of focus or attention they've given other aspects of the game. As Massively reported in it's CSM story, there are no development assets outside the Incarna or Dust team and I doubt we're going to see any serious effort on any aspect of the game other than that.

I can't say that's a bad decision on CCPs part at all, but on the topic of mining it's been clear that any serious effort to reform mining as a profession in Eve isn't coming anytime soon.

I do appreciate your citing the posts, they're important information for everyone but it's also important to talk about the efficacy of changes. The typical follow on replies will be some version of "give them time" and that is reasonable but I would like to point out that Eve isn't in it's first year after launch, there's been time enough for mining to be improved and I don't feel like that's happened.

To loop back around to the original topic again though, there is a bit of irony here in that Hulkageddon is likely to reverse the dropping mineral prices issue and the effect it has on the Eve economy is interesting. For the miners that don't get ganked and follow the advice in this post, they're likely to see better profits in the near future after the event. This is really why I'm neutral about the event. In the end I'll be selling my ore for higher prices, so for me personally it's a benefit.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 5:23PM Fausts said

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I think this video best expresses the points you are making:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJebrzZPLo


**Note from editor: Please note that this video contains cursing and is not 'safe for work'**
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 11:52AM (Unverified) said

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I've said this in the EVE Online forums, and I saying this now. Miners should not fear Hulkageddoon, we should instead brace it as some sort of festival. Our corporation plans to have a mining contest during this period, where the corpmember that raises the highest amount of ore sold will be declared the winner. Other Mining Corporations should run similar contests or even their own anti-Hulkageddon events (including any gank-the-gankers)

Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 11:55AM (Unverified) said

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Or better yet, take out your competition :)
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 12:07PM Nickelpat said

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I think it would be fun to join the Hulkageddon Orphan corp and go gank with them... but do it in a Hulk, and have your whole mining corp join :P
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 12:24PM Brendan Drain said

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That sounds like an awesome thing for mining corps to do. And remember there's no reason people have to use their shiny hulks to mine while the event is on. A covetor is much cheaper and gives back a significant amount of the cost in the insurance payout.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 2:23PM Dblade said

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Brendan, that poster's corp is doing it in T1 frigs if he is the one I think he is. You are eating a 20 mill or so loss with a covetor assuming you fit t2 strips, maybe more. It's much less of a loss but it depends on where you headquarter and how many gankers target you. It still may not be worth it if you ice mine, for one, since ice fields are big targets due to all the mackinaws.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 1:00PM Dblade said

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Eh, typical EVE. Talk all mean and scary, and in the end carebear it up. Most of the targets are going to be hi-sec macrominers, so its going to be shooting fish in a barrel to make Hulk manufacturers and industry speculators rich.

Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 1:30PM SgtBaker said

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**edited for trolling**
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 2:06PM Dblade said

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Hey, it's the way the event is. Helicity is the one who constantly tries to spin it into something more, but I think you have to pilot a barge to realize how carebear targeting them specifically is, let alone using Concord mechanics to let you alpha them with no player retaliation.

Kind of hilarious too the previous Hulkageddon was supposedly to draw attention to how busted insurance was because it let suiciding be done with very little loss. They changed the insurance, and lo and behold, here we are again. All the insurance changes that came did was hurt miners by lowering the cost of the mineral basket and gave macroers more strength.

So forgive me if I call it like I see it on this.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2010 4:40PM Ace Noble said

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I'm a miner and I support Hulkaggedon.

Why? Because I hate afk macro miners even more then I hate pirates. Macro miners flood the market and cost me more then ten days of Hulk docking. The event is just and fair because it is announced far in advance. I have seen the Hulkaggedon kill reports and the majority of victims are also scrub players. Scrubs who are not just foolish and/or ignorant enough to mine in a Hulk during this time, but are sadly skilled and fitted. I remember one Hulk that had a shield boost amplifier without even having a shield booster!

For me, I knew cluster space was disease and death when I subscribed, and I see this event as a necessary thinning of the herd.

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