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Posted: Jun 25th 2010 1:25PM Thac0 said

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This old LOTRO player wants to know what will become of his characters in all his slots of all classes when the game goes F2P? Will i loose characters or the options to play some of them because you have to pay for a class or race. I still have no clue what happened to my old DDO characters, i looked on every server.

Posted: Jun 25th 2010 1:56PM Wisdomandlore said

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If Turbine follows the DDO model (and there's no indication they want), when you first log in as F2P you'll be given a choice of which characters you want to unlock. You can play those for free. To unlock the rest you'll have to buy additional character slots or subscribe. They will not be deleted.

As an old-school LOTRO player, the one change that peeves me the most is the institution of Radiance gear. It did three, very negative things:

1) Turned the endgame into a grind for radiance gear. Before this LOTRO had a much more open-ended, if less focused, endgame.

2) Stopped casuals from raiding. Some of the Elendilmir raiding kins used to create PUGs and organize them into successful raids. This is largely impossible now. If you're casual, you probably don't have the time to grind for Radiance gear. Thus you can't join a raid. I beat both the Rift and Helegrod several times, but I've never set foot into the three new raids.

3) Created one set of gear that everyone wears. In SOA people wore a combination of Rift, Helegrod, crit-crafted, and choice other gear. It allowed for greater stat customization and lessened the gap between raiders and casuals.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2010 4:04PM aurickle said

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The answer depends on whether you're a current subscriber or let your subscription slide.

As a subscriber, you get VIP status. Everything you already have will remain yours. If you already have the MoM then you got two extra character slots and the availability of Warden and RK. You'll keep them as a VIP. If you also already have the Adventurer's Pack from SoM then you got two more character slots. You'll keep them as well.

If you stop subscribing, you drop to Premium status. (You will never drop to the highly limited Free status.) This locks two of your character slots, and you will get to choose which two. You will also get a limit to the gold you can have, number of auctions, amount of mail you can send, etc. But the extra character slots from MoM and SoM will remain yours. (If you think about it, this is quite an upgrade from the current model where if you stop subscribing ALL of your characters get locked.)

What you do once you're on Premium will depend on your plans. If you don't plan to resubscribe you will probably want to drop a few bucks here and there to undo the Premium model's limitations. When it comes to character slots you will be able to buy those two lost slots back. If you later change your mind and decide you want to subscribe again after all then when you return to VIP status you'll find that you have 11 slots rather than is today's limit.

For a complete list of what Premium vs. VIP players get, see here: http://www.lotro.com/betasignup/vipchart.html Anything with an * or ** next to the name in the left column is something that was included with your purchase of MoM or the AP and so will not be reduced by dropping from VIP to Premium. Although in the case of character slots you keep the bonus while losing 2 base slots.

As for the gold cap, I haven't read the official answer on how that will work beyond the fact that whatever gold you currently have you will keep. I believe that how it will work is that if a VIP player has 10 gold and goes Premium he will still have 10 gold. But he won't be able to earn any additional coin from any source until he's spent at least 5 of that 10, reducing him to below the cap.

Hope that helps!
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Posted: Jun 25th 2010 1:45PM karnisov said

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lol at the mushroom bling.

Posted: Jun 25th 2010 1:50PM Ocho said

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The Ghost Bear stuff made me crack up at work. Hahaha! I wasn't around, but I can only imagine just walking along and suddenly have a bear roar come out of nowhere... Hahaha I would've jumped ten feet every time that happened! Sure it wasn't just a bizarre psychological experiment?

Posted: Jun 25th 2010 3:28PM Graill440 said

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With LOTR going the pay for items/content model and pay to get access to regular game content like regular paying customers have, we can only hope the people in beta convince the suits about the new folks soon to be buying items and content in their new game to have access to the ettenmoors as this is a very dead part of the game currently and is the only actual lore about good verse evil barely alive in a game hamstrung of any soul. In this pay as you go model LOTR will be releasing the ettens need an influx of new folks, having the current pay plan of not allowing limited content users into the ettenmoors is also a simple example of what makes the myth of F2P a farce, to gain access to the good content, you WILL pay.

We can also hope one day people will stop and realize what is actually free to play and what is pay to gain access to content. I guess folks using the F2P tags with no thought are quite happy to use all sorts of venues to help them push agendas to spin that hype wheel to less knowledgable folks that will find, as the folks in DDO did, once you get hooked you will find you need to pay to continue your addiction..........

Posted: Jun 25th 2010 4:15PM aurickle said

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Name one quality MMO that is truly 100% free to play.

That means nothing to buy up front (ruling out Guild Wars).

It also means no restrictions in-game that require real money to get around. As far as I know, that rules out everything else.

The bottom line is that companies do not invest money into developing a game with no expectation of profit. As such, you will not find a truly free to play game of any quality. Sure, you might find the occasional indy game that's made for the sheer love of the challenge, but there's no way it will have any real quality with such a lack of budget.

I completely fail to understand this irrational hatred of F2P. I do agree that "Free to Try" would be a more accurate term, but anyone with a brain understands that companies have to make ends meet somehow and that means getting money from the players in one form or other. So it's common sense that "Free to Play" does not equal "Free to Play Everything". While some people vastly prefer the subscription model, that does not mean that those who prefer F2P are automatically wrong or misguided. Nor does it mean that companies offering F2P or hybrid models like what LotRO is moving toward are evil.

Unless, of course, you're totally spoiled with no concept of the real world and a sense that you're automatically entitled to everything just because you exist.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2010 7:02PM Liltawen said

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I loved the Old Forest. I'm still disappointed that I didn't get a Title for finding all of those flowers. There's a map now?-getting hopelessly lost was part of the fun, especially after being chased by a tree. I did an Alt recently but leveled past the Old Forest before I even noticed that it had happened. I really think that when Moria came out some very WOWoid Endgame-lover Devs joined Turbine and nerfed the lower levels (and gave the upper levels Radiance gear as well).

Posted: Jun 27th 2010 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for the good memories. Probably my favorite was working on the crafting quests up in the North Downs as level 15s, searching for that one red-con mob that we could successfully bring down :)

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