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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:15PM Interitus said

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Is it included in the all access pass?

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:27PM Mr Angry said

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My question too, can Massively confirm this with the SOE?
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:21PM DancingTaco said

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I just do not see the point in all of these companies still trying to do the $14.99/mo thing.. Its an outdated model.. Having the choice to either do monthly or pay as you go is a better more rounded way to do things. With all of the games out, and many now trying different games how long until this method runs its course. I know for me I will not be paying 14.99 for 2 or 3 different games and it stops me dead from trying this game out, not that was going to anyway. I am not really a comic book game kind of guy, but still I wish these companies would wake up and move away from subscription only... I do give them props for having it on the PS3 also, but then again they are now going to a subscription like Xbox Live so meh...

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 2:36PM Egobrane said

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How is a monthly fee an outdated thing? Tons of MMO players would agree that it's infinitely better than the milking-you-dry edition of cash shops needed to excell in otherwise free MMOs.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 4:40PM Samael said

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I agree on the choice part. But companies are just going F2P with MTs and such. Hence they are not offering a choice.

I for one love the idea of a monthly fee for an MMO rather than being nickeled and dimed to death with a sub par game pushing you towards its cash store through boring or grinding gameplay.

I find the whole MTs and cash store thing a fad, or rather am hoping it is a fad. Now I would like to see a company offer real choice. Cash store with a F2P option, but a sub option that has everything included, including the things in the store. But charge the customer $20/month, then see what happens, which one people choose.

Developers are too heavily favoring the F2P MT model. I am very delighted that this is going the sub route. The only thing is that they will have a cash store, well if they do then I guess I won't be touching this one either. But still going sub these days takes some guts, so I am seriously happy that SOE chose this model.
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Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 9:27AM DancingTaco said

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My thing is choice. Having the only option as a pay per month model is not the best way to go. I like how DDO and soon Lotro have gone. You can pay a monthly fee is you want to and get all content except for bonus type stuff like 2-for-1 traits. OR you can pay as you go so if I do not want to spend more than five hours a month playing a game I can put a few bucks here, buy some content and then not play. Having the choice is what I meant by outdated. Sure its only $14.99 per month, but this is a new game. I was also disappointed with STO. You bring a new game out and just because it is a popular IP suddenly that makes it worthy of having a $14.99 per month price tag on top of the box price? If you are not lucky enough to get into beta then you are going in blind. I have tried many MMO's and I can honestly say that 80% of them do not appeal to me, again this is just me, but I think when it comes to at least trying out a game there should be options. We all know they probably will not have a free trial on this for months unless the sub #'s are not what they want. So my point is options = more player friendly. I am not saying MT's are best, or that cash shops are super cool. I just think that you should have a choice and that is a more updated model than just plain spaghetti $14.99 per month.. Lego Universe also let me down with this..:(
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Posted: Jun 24th 2010 5:02PM (Unverified) said

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I like what APB is doing. You can either pay the $10 a month subscription fee or pay $7 for 20 hours which you can use anytime.

I tend to wander from one game to another so the hourly fee is a good option. If you want to stay longer you can just switch back to the subscription fee once your hours run out.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:24PM RogueJedi86 said

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Why would they do both a monthly fee and microtransactions? That's like the worst of both worlds. Do either one or the other, not both. It's obvious they'll be doing microtransactions since they said "we have not confirmed microtransactions at this point.", not "there is not going to be microtransactions in this game". If I gotta spend extra money to get all the items in the game, don't charge me a monthly fee. And if I'm paying $15 a month, I expect access to all the content without having to spend extra money. Why would you do both, aside from greediness?

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:57PM eyeball2452 said

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Totally agree. I prefer the the $15/mo, all you can eat, play one game at a time model. I would be much more skeptical of anything that uses a micro-transaction system.

Anything that uses both is likely going to result in not playing the game, especially with all the other great console games coming out, beginning in September.

It's a tough balancing act, but the great thing is that we, the player get the final say. Rule number one of playing an MMO is that if you don't like anything, speak with your wallet and don't play. Subscriber numbers and marginal revenue are basically the only two metrics that MMO publishers look at.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 3:40PM Saker said

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Why so we can milk you for still more $ of course! It is $oE we're talking about right? Double-dip, hell we'll triple as soon as we think of a way!
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 4:57PM Samael said

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because people have shown with CoH and CO that they are willing to pay in the store for cosmetic things, which is what I think they will be putting in the store.

People are ok with buying cosmetics from the a cash store. That is the message that they have sent the developers and they have responded in kind. So lets not blame the developers, but blame ourselves for allowing them to do this.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:42PM Teki said

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I want to know as well.

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:43PM Teki said

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bah,

I want to know if it'll be included in the all access SOE pass thingy.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:46PM Kcirrot said

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It's an SOE premium title. That means, just like Everquest II it's going to have items on the Station Marketplace (item shop) that you spend Station Cash on. I'd bet anything that it will be included in the All-Access Pass unless they're contractually obligated not to include it.

The stuff you buy in SOE's item shops are almost exclusively cosmetic items and services. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Bat-Mite cosmetic pet and stuff like that for the shop.

"If I gotta spend extra money to get all the items in the game, don't charge me a monthly fee. And if I'm paying $15 a month, I expect access to all the content without having to spend extra money. "

Good luck on that. Are there any subscription based games left that don't have an item shop?

Posted: Jun 22nd 2010 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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Except that with Station Pass you can't simultaneously play all the games. Some of the infrastructure, bandwidth, and customer service costs are shared, not multiplied, across the games.
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Posted: Jun 21st 2010 12:46PM Controlled Chaos said

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Ahh, greed. It still makes it mark all over the new MMOs coming out amongst companies who haven't figured out that if you want $15 a month out of someone, they better be offering up something absolutely amazing. From what I've seen of the DCUO videos, they aren't supplying that yet.

Even if it IS included in the All Access deal, adding microtransactions as well is just a money grab.

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 1:04PM Dumac said

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That was a misleading tweet >_

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 1:43PM (Unverified) said

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Very misleading tweet indeed. I thought maybe SOE had come to its senses and was offering an additional 'pay as you go' option. Normally I don't wish bad luck on any game, but I hope this title quickly dies so the DC characters can end up with a better company, with in depth game design and combat, and much better graphics.

Warner Brothers owns DC Comics. They also own Turbine. If we can have multiple Star Wars games, how about letting Turbine do one too. They might get it right, plus have a true hybrid payment model.

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 1:55PM Mr A said

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I've always thought having both a subscription model and a microtransaction model was incredibly retarded. You're already paying $15 a month, and then they want you to pay even more for little bits and bobs. Either have one or the other, or a hybrid system like DDO, not both.

Posted: Jun 21st 2010 1:59PM (Unverified) said

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P2P RULES!!!!!! However, the microtransactions is ultimate FAIL. Whatever happened to the days where you could get everything in game? Soooo just keep it P2P and no micro crap and you will be good to go dcuo!!

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