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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:24AM (Unverified) said

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I will save the excitement for when I will see the final product.
So far the only thing that gets me excited is DirectX 11 and that only if it is implemented well...
I have not seen any screenshots yet of what that will look like. Maybe, if Turbine does this well, I will give LOTRO another chance, despite the F2P debacle.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:30AM (Unverified) said

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The thing I'm looking most forward to is scalable instances, though I think you are wrong about several features of it, including group size scaling. New land mass is nice and a new book also. DX11 and new hobby are also nice little add ons.

That said we've had ranger session play before in PvE and PvP. The Wardrobe is limited to cosmetic items only, which most players i know use mixed old/new armor looks so it won't make much difference. Last it's disappointing to see LI/rad are not going to be dealt with soon considering how universally hated the current system is, based on turbine's own polls.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:36AM (Unverified) said

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This is a great recap, I really appreciate you breaking out into some of the more tangible things we have to look forward too. Are you getting the sense that there will be no full expansion this year?

Saks
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:46AM Wisdomandlore said

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Massively, please get your information straight. This is the second article you've gotten wrong. The new instances are only scalable to your level. Not fellowship size. Turbine specifically called you out on this, and several readers in your last column did, too. There's also no talk about them being instant. Not to say they won't be, but no one has said so.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 1:47PM (Unverified) said

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I did the interview with Turbine at E3 this week and asked specifically if the instances scaled based on group level. I was told "yes" and was shown the functionality in the UI. I've contacted Turbine for a clarification and we'll update the articles here when we get this sorted out.

Thanks,

Dan O'Halloran
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:46PM (Unverified) said

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Dan,

Group level and group size are two different concepts. The instances do scale with the relative level of the group, but as wisdomandlore says, they specifically stated they are not scaling to the size of the group.

I don't recall ever hearing group level and group size used as comperable terms.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:51AM Deryk said

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All of this sounds terrific! Enedwaith and the housing and LI revamp sounds interesting, plus mounted combat ftw!

Being a Lifetime subscriber, the VIP feature will be so cool. It gives me even more for the $200 I spent two years ago! Talk about value for your $$$!

I have not seen anything to indicate that the move to F2P is a "debacle". It was handled very professionally by Turbine imho. They have had right from the start been very candid with us with terrific charts about the different F2P models, VIP, Premium, Free, a wonderful FAQ, stickied posts with Questions and answers revealed. Lifetimers and current subscribers are going to be well taken care of in compensation for the move to F2P! Plus alot of my quality gaming friends are going to give LotRO a try finally! They're just so spread out over other MMOs that they don't have the time being professional people to give it a try. Busy with family and friends and such as well, that the extra $$$ per month wasn't equal to the time they could put into it. So that's a bonus! So that makes the community stronger. Plus I am sure we will all see some comrades that left over the years return. I know of some instances in my kinship where kinfolk have said that some of their friends are returning, what with the horrid economy the past two years, people had to prioritize things in life.

So, yah...debacle? Nah. I can think of quite a few more instances of debacles in recent MMO history a company that has three letters in it's name for one that broke promises and put a store live on its servers after the CEO said it would never happen. Also in another instance, completely changing it's flagship sci-fi game mid-course to a model that hardly anyone wants to play. Plus there have been quite a few MMOs that have launched before they were ready as another example. The list is seemingly endless in comparison. Turbine and LotRO's move to F2P is not one of them, not even close!

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 12:47PM aurickle said

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It seems to me that the majority of the "debacle" has been the fault of the players rather than Turbine. Rather than actually reading (or in some cases comprehending) the info that Turbine provided, players have preferred instead to latch on to every rumor that comes across the forums. This is especially true regarding character slots. It's incredible how many people believe that VIP players will lose character slots, and who refuse to listen to all arguments to the contrary.

I've also honestly laughed at the number of people who complain that if they're subscribers now and switch to the Premium model they'll suddenly have restrictions put on their account. But what happens now if you stop paying for your subscription? You lose ALL access to the game. People are honestly upset that this fall, instead of losing all access they will have limited access? Seriously? :)
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Posted: Jun 18th 2010 11:59AM (Unverified) said

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I do recall A turbine rep specifically saying that the instances will be accessible anywhere, much like the skirmish system. Saves someone trekking out to the middle of nowhere to summon, I suppose. I'd post a source if I weren't so lazy.

Essentially , they're using some of tech from the skirmish system to get people inside the instance, and to scale it (to level only).

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 1:06PM (Unverified) said

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My family and I won't be renewing, or going to F2P. We need confidence in the resulting community, and principally we want to see changes in the Legendary Item grind and Radiance gating.

It's great they will have new ways to carry people to the level cap, but if everyone ends up grnding the same instances again for LI XP or tokens-for-tokens, then that doesn't vary the game enough for us. The design and resulting culture of the end-game right now has an unhealthy influence over too much of the game I believe.

New content is nice, but it doesn't sound it will last long if smaller than SoM and no level cap increase. I expect Turbine will revamp combat wholesale and the end-game maybe in 2011. They've done it at least twice before in the last 2.5 years and the game has survived and thrived. Here's hoping they get to it again in 2011.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 1:21PM Duulin said

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You lost me at F2P

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 1:42PM (Unverified) said

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[QUOTE]Rather than actually reading (or in some cases comprehending) the info that Turbine provided, players have preferred instead to latch on to every rumor that comes across the forums.[/QUOTE]
It may just be more a matter of believing the info that Turbine provided.
You know, I personally believe that this is salami tactics. You introduce something, but assure everybody that everything is going to be alright anyway. Then a few months later you change a little bit, then another bit and then another bit. I am also sceptical towards the F2P crowd and the overall quality of the gameplay. Like it or not, but I am not the only one thinking that way.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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re: A new hobby.

My money is on "Gambling" as a new hobby (horse racing, dice throws, cards, et al) especially with microtransactions coming...

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 2:24PM (Unverified) said

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Dan, the level scalable aspect of your reporting has never been in question. The group size has. Turbine has said numerous times on their forums that it will not happen.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 3:03PM Musicchan said

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I like that they're finally giving us some information on the new content, but I find myself wondering "why couldn't they have told us this earlier?" I mean, why didn't they mention the wardrobe feature they were working on? why didn't they say "Yes, we're working on a new book patch with some new lands." Why did current players have to sit in the dark for about four months with not even a peep as to new content?

It's good to know they're still working on Rohan and that they want to do mounted combat. I'd like to know what their tentative release date is for it though. "Possibly a year" or something would let me know that they at least have a goal for progressing the game. I kinda feel like the end game players are being strung along right now, always hoping we'll get some truely new content. I hope it doesn't take a major game convention for Turbine to give us more information in the future.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 6:15PM Graill440 said

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Needing confidence in a community in order to play a game is admirable.

However, i demand the creep hordes be released to pillage the lands of lotr as good ol JRR wrote it!!! so it was in the books, so should it be in the game! (with some minor safeguards of course)

We shall be free!........as soon as Orion is fired.

..cough, that is all.

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 6:22PM (Unverified) said

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The epic storyline is open to f2p players yes... but only the epic storyline. You'll have a hard time getting to book 2 and beyond though, because the only quests past your 20s will be the epic quests and there aren't enough to level you as the books move along. So you will have to grind mobs in the mean time. Kind of reminds me of Champions online's unlimited trial up to level 10. Of course, you can't leave the intro zone which gets you to level 3....

Posted: Jun 18th 2010 6:45PM Deadalon said

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Hmm - no talk about improving animations and mounts... How about reins and saddles ?

Nah.. Its free to play - and the animations are to much work for them to actually get ppl to like the crap that it looks.

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