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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:25AM (Unverified) said

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ROFL...ROFL...ROFL...ROFL

So glad I jumped off that failure when I did.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:30AM Super Nerd said

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I'm sure glad you did too. Stay gone, please.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:36AM (Unverified) said

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Awwww so sweet. I will have to remember to add you to my Christmas list.

Look I don't knock people that like it. But if it did not have Star Trek is the title, and was some made up IP with the exact game play etc. It wouldn't have 1/3rd the subscribers it does.

The gameplay is .../meh.

the over use of instancing makes it.../meh

The ships and STrek lore are the only things it has going for it.

You yourself said you don't like the company. yet you choose to support them.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:47AM Super Nerd said

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I don't know what MMO you're currently playing, but let's just say WoW for example (Replace with your current MMO).

You play WoW, and have tons of fun.
You find out Blizzard kills puppies.
Would you stop playing? No.

I don't like the company, but that doesn't mean I can't like their product for the time-being.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 11:37AM TheJackman said

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I will stop right away if I found out that Blizzard killing puppies!
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 12:34PM Snow Leopard said

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Well, I mean like what kind of puppies were they? Evil puppies? Nazi puppies? Puppies that had burned down a schoolhouse? These are important questions I would have to ask before swearing off the new Cataclysm expansion which did anyone see it’s going to have werewolves as a playable race! Weeeeeee!!!!!
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:27AM Super Nerd said

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I didn't buy a lifetime subscription, nor did I pre-order, and I still think this is just as low as you can get. Tons of people actually bought multiple copies of the game to get all these rewards, simply to have them put on the C-Store later for next to nothing.

In my opinion, Cryptic is a garbage company that does whatever it takes to leech the money, even if that means screwing over their customers. I currently play STO, because I like the game, but I don't who's running it. Cryptic is greedy and wants to do everything as half-"butt", for half the cost, and get double the profit for it.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:41AM (Unverified) said

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You don't have much right to complain if you keep feeding them money. It is not unlike a junkie complaining about how his dealer smells bad and charges too much.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:47AM Super Nerd said

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I pay for a product I like, and decide I don't like the way it's being run. How is that not having a right to complain? That's exactly a reason TO complain.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:32AM Anax said

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Preston, I think your logic is a little faulty. If someone buys the game without the extras and then decides they want the extras, so they buy a second copy of the game or a lifetime subscription, that's their choice. It's a very strange choice to make, paying $30-50 extra dollars to get an emote or a bridge officer, but that's their choice. Cryptic didn't force them to make that choice and they didn't say that they wouldn't make those same items available to other players in other ways. In fact, I gather they said the opposite.

Clearly some people have huge amounts of discretionary money to throw around to urgently get bonus items in games. But just because some people make that choice doesn't mean Cryptic is obligated from helping other people make far more reasonable choices.

If you decide to buy two Hondas, rip them apart, and then mash them together to make a custom car of your choosing, is Honda obligated not to make a new car which combines the features of two of their older models, just because you'll feel like an idiot for paying for two cars?

I just don't see your logic. Cryptic hasn't lied, dissembled, or done anything unethical, as far as I can tell. They've been pretty clear about their business model.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:34AM (Unverified) said

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I don't like some of Blizzard's decisions. I don't like arenas, and I don't like how they handle raiding mechanics in some cases. I even think one of their employees is a jackass. Overall though, I think they do a good job and they employ people who are committed to making the best user experience possible. Therefore, I have no problem playing WoW. The instant they do something that pushes one my buttons, I'm out. I don't care what I have invested. It is the same reason why I'll never have Qwest phone service and refuse to set foot in Best Buy.

Yet here you are: "Cryptic is a garbage company that does whatever it takes to leech the money, even if that means screwing over their customers."

Also: "Cryptic is greedy and wants to do everything as half-'butt',"

You've moved past not liking how it is run. You're an addict. Hell, your statement about Blizzard killing puppies proves that out--you think people will continue to play WoW under a circumstance like that. You're right by the way, but where you fail is that you are one of those people and don't even realize it. It's like me complaining that I found rat crap in my taco and then I keep going back because they're just so damn good. You are the perfect consumer--bitch about the company, but just keep on buying.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:49AM Super Nerd said

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Actually, I'm not sure you understand. (Not saying that in a rude tone.) You had to buy multiple copies of the game to get all the rewards because of pre-order bonuses specific to stores. You could not get all the items without buying multiple copies, and many of the hardcore Trekies did so.

Cryptic did in fact support buying multiple copies, I'm not sure what your sources are. Also, unless it says somewhere on the box, or Gamestop (Or wherever you got it) tells you when you pre-ordered "By the way, these items will likely be able to be bought by everyone later for a cheaper price.", then it's unethical to later release these items to every player for a cheaper price.

If they didn't want to make more money off of these, then they could have just sold them in the C-Store only instead of even having them come with these special orders, but they didn't. They wanted people to pay more for these, because they knew that they'd sell them to everyone else later and make even MORE.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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There is absolutely nothing unethical about a company promoting sales of its product using exclusives that are later released for general purchase.

The assumption that the exclusives would remain so in perpetuity was naive and unrealistic. The MMO market is no stranger to time-elapsing exclusives ("head starts", soundtrack CDs, special pets) that it is absurd, in the absence of explicit wording, that exclusives in this particular game would be presented otherwise. If all the lifetime subscribers left the game, Cryptic would be taking out certain parts of their product out of circulation.

Let me put it in a different light: you were perfectly willing to make the assumption that the exclusives WOULD be forever, and was willing to take advantage of that perpetual iniquity. It was no more immoral for you to take that choice than it was unethical for the company to offer it.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:48AM (Unverified) said

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I bought the lifetime sub when it was still $240. I assumed this stuff would end up in the store eventually. "Exclusive" items aren't why I bought the sub. I bought it so I could play the game casually and not worry that I'm paying another monthly subscription fee on those months when I don't get to play much. I bought it because it just made sense for my situation. Besides, you still can't buy the best perk item IMO from the lifetime sub - playable liberated borg. (not just bridge officer.) But if they offer that in the store too, I really won't mind or be surprised. I wasn't paying $240 so for these virtual items. I was paying for a lifetime sub, and getting these items for free and when no one else could was just a perk.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:51PM DraneceusRex said

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I'm in the same exact boat as you, and feel the same way about my Liberated Borg Capt being exclusive; not going to shed a tear, or start a flame war if it pops up on the Cstore. My Lib Borg BO is in the store now, and I can care less. She's been great to have throughout my 4 or so months playing the game, as a little perk from getting it from Amazon.

I think people are so irate now because they felt a little silly at the time throwing down money for additional boxes at launch, just to get pixilated items.

$3-4 for a new uniform is fine. $25 for a sparkle pony is exploitive, and a bad example for the industry, but will rake in megabucks by the 500lbs gorilla. $50 or $300 for a uniform or item.....wow.....can I have some of your money?

I bought the game, one copy of it. I had no need for multiple boxes. I also bought a lifetime sub. These "exclusive" items were just little bonuses to enjoy.

I feel a slight amount of sympathy for CO lifetime subscribers, because they have only had a fully viable female MU uniform for only a month or so, but again, the product they were buying was the CO sub, not the STO perks that were a bonus to it.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 9:54AM (Unverified) said

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This is amazing, for how mad people are at Blizzard for making the 25 dollar mount. They are not even close to the corrupt things Cryptic does and continues to do to it's customers. It amazes me that the players can support this game.

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 11:43AM TheJackman said

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Star trek hardcore fans sadly buy everything with Star trek on the box and look like they have money falling from the sky. They are use to have to buy a complete series dvd box set that they already own like they added a new 5 mins bonus on it or even a new comment...
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Posted: Jul 6th 2010 3:30PM Metatron said

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How about those of us who think they're both greedy assholes?
Cryptic takes the cake though, for it's right off the bat full force gouging.

Blizzard is going to be there in a year though.
They're both setting the asshole standard for MMORPG design.

God gave us two middle fingers for a reason.
Sometimes you don't have to choose.
Fuck 'em both.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 10:18AM mysecretid said

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Cryptic said more than once on their forums, before the game was even released, that the pre-order items would eventually be made available for individual purchase. They've been doing something similar ever since City of Heroes, and so have other MMORPGs I've played.

Still, I know facts are boring compared to drama, so carry on ...

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 5:06PM CCon99 said

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They did say that about the preorder items, but they never said the same on the Collector's Edition items and the items they used to sell Lifetime Subs. In fact the the Dev's were even quoted as saying the the lifetime items could only be received by purchasing the lifetime sub. As for the Collector's Edition, how can it be a collector's edition, if anybody can buy the collectibles?

While they did say the preorder items could one day be available, they should have at least waited a year before doing so. Unless they feel their game doesn't have a year left, then I could totally understand them doing a cash grab while then still can.
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