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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:50PM Mr Angry said

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The high-fiving never ends, saw this coming a mile off! :)

I hope to god Turbine have something substantial up their sleeves, totally underwhelmed by this F2P transition, vague promises to existing customers, the threat of changing the awesome community, the intrusion into the seamless world environment. It's definitely F2P all the way, and the news on zones, content and fun are all taking second place, piss poor.

Be excited all you want, Free to Play does not mean free, it means that Turbine will work to make every demographic as profitable as possible.

The store didn't look that amazing, the stuff in there wasn't even labeled correctly and I can see a real trend for items that were previously available in game during event will be pushed to the store so users have to purchase them.

My questions for later, and I'd appreciate if you ask this and record the response.

Will the next content expansion with the launch of F2P cost Turbine points, or is it totally free to VIP's and or Freeloaders, will VIP's have to spend their accrued points to benefit from the next new zone?

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:09PM Wisdomandlore said

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Turbine will probably follow the model of F2P DDO. Subscribers get access to all content, including updates. They just have to keep paying their sub. F2P members will have to purchase new content, although there will probably be some content available for free with each update.

I'm a little worried, too, about how the game world will feel once it's been carved up into chunks of purchasable content. DDO had it easy in this regard. It was tailor made for a F2P model. But I'm not too worried. DDO is only better off since it's transition, with several major updates in under a year. The community is still absolutely stellar. I imagine LOTRO will stay the same way. It's not like F2P = terrible community and P2P = awesome community.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:36PM Tom L said

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If they hadn't gone the 'F2P' route would you expect to pay for the new XPac?

If the answer is yes then if that's the case under the new model has anything changed and should you be upset about it?

Ta,
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:38PM Mr Angry said

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I would expect to pay for an expansion which would feature multiple zones and new features and progression, as we did with MoM and to a limited degree with SoM.

I would not expect to pay anything for a zone addition, similar to Forochel or Evendim.

I can see the lines blurring between xpac and content addition, thus my question to ensure we are on track to get content updates as we were previously, does that clarify my position a bit better, sorry if it was vague?
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:46PM Tom L said

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It does. I never subscribed to DDO b/c it seemed to me that the price per adventure pack was in keeping with the rate I could/would go through the content, and I saw no need to pay for the sub. The 500 free points per month would likely just build up in my account waiting to be spent on something. If I'd been more obsessed with the game, I would have subbed.

If the rate of new content patches (and they cost Points) does not exceed the rate at which subs accrue them, then it seems like a moot point. Ie. if the new content patch costs 500 points for everyone, it's irrelevant to you as a subscriber.

Given how well DDO worked out for them, I would be very surprised if they deviate from that model too much.

Ta,
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:52PM Mr Angry said

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I like you Tom, your responses are very interesting and well crafted.

On the issue of accrued points, I'd agree that it wouldn't be a problem if the rate of updates was slower than the rate you could accrue the points, don't forget there are also other items and features available that you would no doubt want to make use of. As a current player all cosmetic items can be gained in game one way or another, with F2P that may well stop and so you need to pay out of your stipend for these items.

I'm pretty sure Turbine will make it as compelling as possible for you to burn through those points, and with their recent changes to introduce content scaling for PvE dungeons, I think this will be too attractive to miss. It's good business for them, but I don't believe it when they say 'nothing will change', I'm sure it's part of their plan that even VIP's will need to reach into their pockets to experience everything at one point in time.

I'm a lot happier after reading some of the news today, but speaking from a players perspective, just making sure we are not giving up our position unnecessarily to chase after the new shinys! Turbine have assured us nothing changes, so I want VIP's to get a good deal, in addition to the new Turbine point system.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 2:52PM (Unverified) said

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I dont like what I am seeing on that last screenshot there.
It said that they would not be selling armor and weapons. The descriptions there look like armor and weapons...

Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:04PM Lateris said

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...yep
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:07PM Barinthos said

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If you guys bothered to actually READ the description instead of nerd raging after seeing "HELMET" you'll notice that none of them are actually armor...

The first is Shared Bank access, the second is a potion, the 3rd is some kind of item to summon enemies or gain access to an area for better items, and the 4th looks like a shield to display in your house.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:16PM Firebreak said

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Might just be cosmetic.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:22PM Barinthos said

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@Firebreak - That's what i was thinking as well with all the armor slots. I haven't played LOTRO in a very long time, and even then it was only the trial version. But cosmetic armor appearances are always fun to be able to get.

And from the look of the rest of those screens, there's place holders, fillers and null values everywhere. Additional Character slot for XXXXXXXX points huh?

Nothing in those pics is final.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:24PM Mr Angry said

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Actually Barinthos, if you took time to look at the left hand side of that screen, you will see clearly that it outlines the slots that you can purchase items for, be it head, chest, shoulders, legs, feet and back, funny they would do all this, just to present a bunch of the unrelated features you highlighted. While what you have outlined were not armor items in the highlighted text (which is probably a placeholder, given it also mentions DDO factions), the evidence is certainly there.

So you might want to keep that fanrage in check too, until there are a few more details out there, I'm the only one who get's angry here, you know that, right? :)
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:31PM Barinthos said

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Actually Mr Angry, I did notice those, and mentioned it in the reply right above yours. In regards to Firebreak's comment. Cosmetic armor is not real armor.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:33PM Tom L said

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No, they said that they would not be selling any end-game armor and weapons. Big Difference there. In DDO they made available very generic +1 to +3 weapons and armor for people to buy if they wanted to. I was all lowbie stuff to help you get through the content if you wanted to spend money out of game as opposed to in-game at the AH.

From their initial press releases and interviews on this for LotRO, it seems they will follow that model. They've been pretty clear about that. No pay-to-win. In the 6 months I played DDO I didn't see one instance of that being the case.

Ta,
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:35PM Mr Angry said

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I saw you adapted your position in your response Bar, thanks for clearing that up.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:35PM Barinthos said

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Ahh, Tom Luongo is absolutely right. I did read that. Thanks for the reminder Tom.

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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 3:50PM Tom L said

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You're welcome.

I fail to see how where all the nerd-rage comes from in this move by Turbine. I just re-upped after hearing the news and have been playing pretty consistently for the past week and I can tell you that there is a real dearth of lowbies (my highest toon is a 41st Warden) running around Gladden server. Nothing like what it was last fall when I leveled to 38th. If I've seen 10 people in Evendim and Trollshaws it would be a lot.

There is a real need to attract new blood to the lower content areas, from my experience. More players is always better for MMO's. A game is never made better by having fewer players.

Ta,
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Posted: Jun 16th 2010 6:35PM aurickle said

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Yes, Turbine stated that regular armor and weapons would be available through the store, but that it would only be starter gear. They have stressed that no truly meaningful gear would be available for purchase, so people won't be buying radiance gear on the store.

Also, it is worth noting that the in-game auction house has a cosmetic category, and that category includes all armor slots including the head. Many of those cosmetic slots are not in-game yet. For example, I don't believe there are cosmetic footwear or gloves anywhere to be found and so far cosmetic headgear has been limited to things like circlets. I would be very surprised if they didn't use the store as the method for introducing cosmetic gear for those so-far-unused slots. They will also likely expand on the offerings for the other slots as well, such as purely cosmetic helmets and hats.

If they're really smart they will also offer limited edition cosmetic and home furnishing items. If they create such items and guarantee that once the availability window ends those items will never return it would be a very strong money maker for Turbine. I would personally have no problem with them doing such a thing and would in fact greatly prefer it to Cryptic's approach of "special edition until we make them common" items. ;)
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Posted: Jun 17th 2010 1:52PM (Unverified) said

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If you guys bothered to actually READ the description instead of nerd raging after seeing "HELMET" you'll notice that none of them are actually armor...

And if YOU bothered to actually READ the descriptions instead of faboy raging, after seeing my talk about armor, you would see that one of the descriptions reads "Shield". You can also see the descriptions on the side. Now, if it was just clothing, I would not come to such quick conclusions, but I am not so sure that shields can be cosmetic (would have to logg in and check and dont feel like it).

I am also not too happy in regards to what I am reading about those potions there. Once again an unfair advantage for those who buy stuff in the cash shop.
That is at least what I see.
Btw, I find Turbines release of these early beta screenshots with such many bugs quite unprofessional.
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Posted: Jul 9th 2010 7:11PM (Unverified) said

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Please read the descriptions. The name helmet is just a generic template. People need to read more before they get upset and post inaccurate information.
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