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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 10:55AM markt50 said

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Shame. Such a great game. Sub cancelled.

I think I've actually finally ran out of MMO's I can play that don't have an Item Store :( Ohhh well, farewell MMO's. Still, I've been planning on spending time on Single player games like Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2 etc for some time now.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:20AM ruhk said

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A bit reactionary, don't you think? I'm okay with item stores as long as they don't become a necessary facet of a game, and looking at these items I really don't see that as being the case. This is a model that works for many MMO's, and to jump ship over a completely optional aspect of the game is just silly.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:28AM (Unverified) said

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I don't think it's silly at all to refuse to play a game where someone can spend more money to gain ANY sort of an advantage in a game over those who don't (i.e. can't or won't). I was reconsidering FE, but now that I saw this article, the decision is a lot easier for me--I won't be resubbing now that they've chosen this path. No, it's not because of a four-slot dog and a pair of lowbie goggles; it's the principle. I refuse to endorse the practice of item shops by playing games that incorporate them. Now, if you're OK with this business practice then by all means play the games and pay the $--it's your choice and your consequences.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:38AM DarthCheese said

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Indeed, it's about principle.

If they were offering purely cosmetic items (like Blizzard does), that would be cool... but this, very disappointing. :(
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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hey bobby, you do know blizzard put out a 25 dollar mount right? FE is offering a dog, a dog you don't need, and a dog some may not wont. I don't get this stigma against cash shops. it seem people playing one bad f2p and suddenly they all must be garbage.

/roll eyes
i don't get it.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:20PM (Unverified) said

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I absolutely despise double-dipping. I am fine with a montly fee. I am fine with micro-transactions. I am not fine with both. PICK A MODEL. Don't reach BACK into customer wallets with dollar gated content. Paying a static monthly fee to access all content has worked for a decade now. The only reason it no longer works is because of greed.

What makes me most angry is that it took additional dev hours to build and maintain the online store. They actually put money into a solution designed to milk us as their cash cattle.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:56PM Myria said

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Actually, june32nd, the dog that's for sale has four storage slots. If you'd ever played FE you'd know that while four slots isn't game breaking, even one slot can be a huge deal when you're out scavenging. Those extra slots are the whole reason you make "better" mounts, they are a big deal.

In other words, no, the dog is not just cosmetic by any stretch of the imagination.

Icarus releases a half-finished iPhone app, sans the feature that makes it worth having, and stealth adds an item shop?

Frankly I think they're in even worse financial shape than has been previously thought
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:30PM MewmewGrrl said

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june32nd - It has nothing to do with playing a bad F2P game (and this is a P2P game anyway that's trying to milk us out of extra money). It has to do with one model or another. If they were a Free to Play game that had a Cash/Item Shop, great - that's how they make money. But when you purchase a boxed game at full price, then subscribe to a game and pay them monthly, you are supposed to have access to all the content that such game provides by doing so. If they want to start a discounted rate, say $5 a month, sure, add an item shop. If they want to go free to play, that's great! Change over to free to play, I'd be HAPPY if they did that and not worried at all. But they're not doing that. They are putting the chip in their mouth and then sticking it right back in the dip - and we're expected to eat out of that dip bowl. Why is it suddenly okay to have both a full priced monthly game AND a cash shop?

I have canceled every game that has done this too, and I am about to cancel another. I truly don't care if they go under, pulling this crap. If they go full free to play, I'll be back, but I'm not supporting a game that does this double dip stuff - full maximum monthly price and an item shop on top of it. No way. I'm right there along side Mark who first wrote this comment, I'm canceling my subscription, and no I don't think it's going too far. THEY went too far when they did this and I'm not going to be a part of it. To sit around and complain while not doing anything about it - that's what is wrong. To show the company we mean business by canceling our subscription, that to me is the right thing to do.

And I don't give Blizzard a free pass for pulling this crap either like some people do. "Oh it's okay for Blizzard to because it doesn't offer a big advantage!" BS. That item should be there in game for everybody else that makes Blizzard billions of dollars. You guys just want to give Blizzard an excuse for everything because you want to keep playing WoW. It's okay, bend over and take it from Blizzard, but don't pretend they're just giving you a free exam back there - call it like it really is.


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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:26AM GryphonStalker said

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I am highly disappointed and selling straight up stat gear too? I'm tried of this trend in subscription based MMO's.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:26AM (Unverified) said

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They should take poker chips, as this sounds like a real gamble. Let's see, what other studios thought that this was a good idea? Oh, that's right, Cryptic. And we all know how popular it made them. I can think of one other, CoH. Their store was sufficiently low key to avoid being completely unpopular. Not sure I would call it popular either. I don't think an item store can really be a success on a pay to play game.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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None of this bodes well for the future of MMOs. They've all become cash-grab shovelware. Time to find a new genre I think.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:13PM GryphonStalker said

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These are companies, they are out to make money but we as customers are allowing a market where subscription based MMO's feel justified in adding a digital item cash shop and they are going to get away with as much as we let them.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:11PM Cendres said

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How many times are we as a community are we going to go through this? Every time our favorite game gains a cash shop?

Looks like it's time to get used to the idea already. The sky was supposed to fall on Eq2 last year, has it?

@ Mitch Consequences? Seriously? You mean the consequences of choosing to buy something for my enjoyment that will also support the company that develops the game I enjoy?
Sure thing. The thought that cash shops force you to buy anything is a thing of the past. I've yet to see a NEW cash shop that does this.

I don't think Cryptic isn't popular because of their cash shop, it's more because of the games themselves. Not bad games, but not games that really 'shine' either. Unless their IP are your cup of tea.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 1:33PM (Unverified) said

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The consequence (other than personal enjoyment) that comes to mind right away is the message sent to game developers that this practice is acceptable. If you feel it IS acceptable, then have at it, but I don't think everyone thinks that far ahead. I personally don't find it acceptable, at least for a subscription game, to have an item shop for two reasons:

1) It lets someone spend real money to gain something in a game. Again, some people are OK with this, but I personally use video games to escape a world where [real] money rules--where everyone can truly feel like they have equal opportunities.

2) When using an item shop and a subscription, the items in the item shop undermine the value of the subscription fee. Even without an item shop, profit margins on subscriptions are such that one can make a case for LOWERING the standard subscription fee on games (or demanding better/faster content delivery). With an item shop, even if it's just cosmetic items, I no longer feel like my subscription money is worthwhile. I want to subscribe to a game and know that my subscription gives me just as much access to everything in that game as any other player (see point 1 above).

Obviously this is all subjective. It's how I feel, and it is what I base my decisions on. I'm not telling anyone else they're wrong for feeling a different way and/or doing something differently, but Massively does love a good discussion, and I love giving it to them.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 4:54PM Cendres said

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And those are all fair points. I don't feel those consequences are bad because I feel that post EQ2 cash shop where I was outraged that it has helped the game and I've seen everyone benefit from the extra cash influx, those who chose to pay for luxury cash shop items to those who just use the in game version items. Moonlight Enchantments every month comes to mind.

Now there is something to be said fro too much development going into the cash shop stuff vs the in game things. Cash shop items are going to have more glitter for sure but that doesn't mean regular items shouldn't get an update once in a while either.

I believe this is all in a state of evolution and eventually all these grievances will get balanced out. To note cash shop items so far do take away from your regular subscription, it adds something that would never be there otherwise.
And adds opportunity for more things to be added to the regular game that the devs would have the time or money to justify adding previously. Or so I think. :P
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 4:57PM Cendres said

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Ahhh that's supposed to be:** To note cash shop items DO NOT take away from your regular subscription...

;)
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Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:26PM Teh Jer said

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You'd think with all these games incorporating cash shops and the glut of MMOs on the market that some of these outfits would consider breaking away from the $15/month price point in order to differentiate themselves.

But if Cryptic did it, it would be considered an act of desperation.

I hope APB is successful, mostly because their pricing scheme is practically a major innovation in MMOs.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 12:38PM tk421242 said

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Same page as the double dipping comment. I cancelled LOTRO and DDO, have restarted DDO and will soon return to the Shire. Just cancelled FE last month, unless they let me return for free like a DDO or LOTRO or Guild Wars I will not be returning, just not enough to get my 15 dollars. If they can not go F2P with a shop, it would be nice to see a reduction in monthly sub fee though, that may encourage me to try again later.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 1:12PM Blay said

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It is kinda embarrassing to be a part of the mmo community when I see some of the people above threatening to quit over 4 storage slots that are purchasable.

This is not game changing, it is 4 extra storage slots and a cosmetic pet besides that. If this was a weapon or armor that you could not get by paying for it then you would have an argument but not for 4 storage slots and a companion.

These smaller companies need this extra revenue to improve their game to see more frequent updates and attract new people and if they can do that without giving the purchaser next to no added bonus (which they are doing) and still get them to pay then more power to them.

Remember the people who make and update these games are paid in RL money and don't just work off fan love, and smaller companies like this can use the added funds a lot more then companies like Blizzard.

Posted: Jun 11th 2010 1:50PM Its Utakata stupid said

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I think it's embarrassing to the MMO community that your asking us to be all MT apologists everytime time a sub based game rolls out a cash shop.

I believe it has been mentioned that, the items for sale gives player advanatage and thus it's the principal of the thing for a game that is moslty skill based (not wallet based).Thus it's something more than a Sparkle Pony TM and it's a valid reason to leave the game, unless players want something like this.

And the principal being is that if Icarus is going to do this, they should make the game F2P if they're that hard up. And not double dip Cryptic style. Players are already paying enough for the subscription as it is.
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