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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 5:12PM Greeen said

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Point well written.
Just take DDO - I don't see the game falling apart and I don't see tons of *fill in your choice of appropriate cuss word* running around either.
While I can't say I have met that many RPers, that isn't the only thing that makes a great community. The general attitude alone, the helping, the support is a big part of that as well. And since there isn't much pvp in lotro, there won't be much zmgletspwn either. People with that attitude won't have the patience to last to get to the point to enter monster play, at least that is my guess.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:20PM PrimeSynergy said

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Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. The moment I saw the overwhelmingly negative response of Turbine's announcement, I got angry. People were complaining the community would go down in flames, but these were the same people planning to leave because of the announcement. Well like the article said, if you leave, of course the community is gonna tank. Why wouldn't it?

The moment the community gives up on the game, everyone is screwed.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:23PM Aquaryon said

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Excellent article Sera! I am really excited for the F2P. I just
picked up LotRO last week and it included the free month and I was
messing around and I really like it (Kinda escaped WoW but shhh). I
wasn't 100% sure if I wanted to pay for it but going F2P, I can't
wait.

I only have a really low level character on Brandywine but MMOs are
all about the community and it sounds like Landroval is all about
that, I might join you guys on there :) Any suggestions?

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:47PM Amuntoth said

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I'd say the big worry with the free to play community destroying the LOTRO community is that there will just be TOO MANY people who just want to screw with people. It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation in WoW's trade chat. Sure you could have 100 people contributing nicely, but you've still got to filter through the 20 or so people spamming 100 lines a minute about butt jokes.

till, hopefully the community will remain great.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 6:31PM DancingTaco said

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I was on these comments last week debating this same thing. The community is not going to fall unless we lose 90% of the current members, which from the people on Vilya I have spoke with, hardly anyone is leaving. What was funny is seeing all of the "I'm Leaving, Who's With Me? threads that came up with 5 responses, of those only 1 person following said idiot. The key to this whole thing is the fact that pvp is not that big a deal on Lotro, better yet, F2P players cannot access monster play. This alone keeps them at bay, and even if they did only come onboard for monster play, the community in MP is different, with the majority of trash talking happening there so that would not be a big deal anyway.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:32PM C Rose said

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So well said Sera. I really dislike all the "doomsday" opinions about this current development in LotRO. Am I concerned that the community will change for the worse? Honestly, yes a little. Do I think there's a chance this will only be a positive thing for the game? Well, yes I think that's possible too. I'm NOT a current player of LotRO, however, I've played it in the past and strongly agree that the community is exceptionally strong. The F2P model has me so excited to start playing the game as possibly my main MMO! Honestly I wanted to start playing it but I can't justify paying for another subscription, but LotRO would be the only thing I would've considered. Now though it's not even a question, I'll be soooo in come fall. I hope to see you there along with all the great people who play. Let's MAKE this transition a great one and through our attitudes and friendliness, continue to keep the community a great one!!!

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:33PM tk421242 said

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I agree completely with you on this one Sera. F2P models such as LOTRO and DDO I think are the best way for MMO companies to expose more people to their product. More people mean yes, more idiots, but also more revenue possibilities, and that is the best way to get more content and more life out of titles we love.

I played LOTRO for 6 months at launch as well as DDO. DDO has won me back with no monthly fee, but I have dropped coin on small things that add up, or at least add up to more money then what Turbine made off me while I was gone.

The fools will weed themselves out through boredom eventually, and perhaps the new revenue will allow for more content and expansions, enough even for Keen to come back and play since he is not a paying customer either anymore.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:34PM Controlled Chaos said

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People enjoy being extremist a little too much about these things. Keen strikes me as little more than someone who feels that elitism is just part of the game.

"Oh no, new people will be included into our social club! Flee! Flee!"

People like that have absolutely no idea that entropy is a natural thing in these situations. Will some people get angry and depart? Of course they will, because they won't feel as special now, since their membership fee per month isn't an absolute necessity now. They'll pack their stuff up and depart, leaving the community to suffer for it. However, in these close knit groups, there's always going to need to be some fresh blood coming around to keep things interesting too. Otherwise? Boredom.

I can say honestly that I am a F2Per. I think paying a specific amount per month so you can play a game you already paid for is ludicrous. I love Guild Wars because of its pricing scheme, I've been getting myself ready to plunge into DDO because it went F2P and now I'll be considering doing the same thing for LotRO. I'm a dyed in the wool RPer and am all about the story. I don't think it's particularly fair that I get lumped in with the twits whose idea of a good time is farming obsessively or trolling for attention.

They community might be tight knit, but give people a chance before judging them. There's always some diamonds in the rough coming from places one least expects.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:36PM Enikuo said

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I don't believe that people who have built a strong community would just leave it. For one, it just doesn't seem like it would be in their character - I imagine them to be more tolerant and patient than that if they were able to build a strong community in the first place. And, two...if they love their community, why would they just abandon it?

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:37PM (Unverified) said

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People do not understand that this game has a great storyline and tons of things to do. The PvP may not be that great, but that is not what Lotro is all about. With the game going F2P, like the article says we will see old friends that had to stop because of financial reasons. The game is what you make of it, regardless if it is F2P or not, the game is a really good one.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:43PM (Unverified) said

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Wow this is exactly what iv been trying to tell people, but much much better put than I ever could.

Just keep playing the game, you may make new friends!

+ More players + more money = better conten more often!

People who have the game now who pay or are lifetime members wont have the game changed in any way!

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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Actually I am one of those players who had to cancel their accounts due to financial reasons, and this is my chance to come back and play a fantastic game and get back on my home of Landroval, which I feel bad about leaving as I was just starting to make friends there.

After seeing the huge success of DDO, I am quite cofident that Turbine will enact similar changes to LOTRO and will mirror the success of DDO. I actually see this as a wave of relief, I won't have to justify any subscription. I will be able to play as I wish and not feel like I have to PVMP, or have to raid, or have to level fast, or anything else. I am a RPer at heart and I want to sit around smoking pipeweed, playing music, and talking in character to other RPers.

In many MMOs I get so wound up with making the game worth my sub that I lose track of what I am really trying to accomplish, having fun. With DDO I felt that I can play at my leisure and have felt no compulsion to do things I don't want to but feel I have to do to justify the purchase to myself.

I believe that Seraphina hit the nail on the head with this one.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:50PM jmerriex said

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I jump up and down on hobbits like an Italian plumber now... it's WHY I pay $15 a month! :P

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 4:57PM (Unverified) said

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I have to respectfully disagree. This move is about greed, not saving the game or philanthropically letting the poor and hungry enjoy a meal. Personally, I feel very betrayed by this move. I've invested a lot of time and money into this game based on it being a AAA P2P MMO. What is all my playtime worth if I've earned this cool looking equipment that can all of the sudden just be bought?

Also, there is the community aspect. Turbine is poking at an organically grown community that was earning it plenty of money with plenty of servers, all doing fine. I'm not saying that all F2P players are bad apples, but it just takes a few... and this isn't a job, the community is not a responsibility - it's entertainment, relaxation... not work. When it becomes work, people move on.

I have nothing against people who can't afford to play a game, but I chose to use the few dollars I have for entertainment based on the implied promise that the game was going to be administered in a certain way... and now the black dye that I worked months to obtain will be sold in a fricken cash shop. I feel cheated - I specifically chose to play in an environment where playing the game well is what got you rewarded for accomplishment, not how big your credit limit is.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 5:05PM (Unverified) said

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Did you read the interview where it says that end game gear cannot be purchased?
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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 5:08PM (Unverified) said

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Here I'll even do you the favor since you clearly did not read it:

"One thing that I want to make sure that everyone's aware of is that we're not selling gear. There may be something like they do in DDO where low-level players can get a foot up when they start the game, if they're a little nervous and looking for a little help, that might be possible in the future. But it's never our intention to sell raid loot or endgame-quality gear and items because we feel like questing and getting that great loot is a big part of the game and we don't want to lose sight of that"
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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 5:37PM Cristiano Cenizo said

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You don't have any clue what is going on, but you run your mouth like you are in the know. Try doing some research next time.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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Here, let me help you two:

opinion - 6 dictionary results
o·pin·ion   [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second Medical opinion.
4.Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.
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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 6:35PM DancingTaco said

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Opinions are like *Seraed*, and you just happen to be one...

The game was doing financially well? Really!?! Thats why since Moria updates have come to a crawl, kins have grown smaller, and everyone can notice a noticeably smaller amounts of people on their servers? Did I miss something? Since when do less people equal more money? I will wager you that we see more updates in the year after P2P goes live than we have for 2009/2010 combined... Wanna bet?

(Editor's Note: Please don't use profane language in your posts. Thank you! ~Sera)
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Posted: Jun 10th 2010 7:46PM Seraphina Brennan said

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Guys, remember, don't attack other commenters. You may discuss opinions, but don't attack Hippie simply because he disagrees with you. Discuss the opinions, don't troll one another.

Thank you!

~Sera
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