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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 12:42AM Scuffles said

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If they are really smart they will harness that rotation to generate electricity and use it as free energy to power their servers, thereby increasing their profit margins that much further.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 12:55AM Wisdomandlore said

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This may be the best outcome. LOTRO's development has slowed down to a snail's pace since MoM. Content updates are coming smaller and farther apart. This year will see all of 2, small content updates. It will have been two years since there was a real expansion of the game.

On the other hand, DDO has seen several content updates since it's F2P transition. If LOTRO can capture that energy and success, it can only mean good things for the game.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 1:52AM Samael said

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I hate cash stores with a passion, and it sucks that my favorite game has opted to use it. But I believe that this is the best way to do if you are adamant about having a cash store.

I am under no delusions that there will be a single game out there that will not have a cash store. The masses have spoken, and they want to spend more money, what can developers do other than let them.

I just hope that developers look at Turbine and learn how to do the cash store thing. I think this is the best way to implement it. Make the game F2P, but let the standard sub stay as well for people who want it all. I sure as hell hope to god that they do not do it like Cryptic.

The whole MMO industry is moving to this model. I can understand the problems the players have with that model, but there are just too many people are willing to put down extra money. MMO industry will rely on impulse micro transactions, and subtly and slowly getting players to spend more and more in the cash store (not saying Turbine will do this, but we have companies like Cryptic as well). Then there will come a time when it will get out of hand with everyone selling $25 ponies, and people will wonder what happened.

Sad day indeed. Time to find other hobbies I guess.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 3:09AM VioletArrows said

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No, they've already shown their soft bellies and open wallets, $25 will be considered a steal by the time this stupidity is over.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 4:00AM brainslushy said

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I just wonder if I'll ever see Gondor or Rohan.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 6:25AM ReijMan said

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Yeah you will if you keep playing :-)
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 6:58AM brainslushy said

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oh...I'll still be playing/paying for sure!
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 6:39AM mko said

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In Lotro Europe site it doesn't say current subscribers should keep their accounts active till F2P launch. Or did I missed it?

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 11:12AM NeoWolfen said

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Ive been a lifetime subscriber and Founder sinc ethe games creation, being a huge Tolkien fan it was a given, so the changeover is for the most part a positive one for me.

I do have one major concern though that is mostly a QoL issue in-game. currently EU side at least we have the RP server Laurelin that is BY FAR one of the nicest, friendliest, most mature and ROLEPLAY heavy and supportive servers of any game ANYWHERE..

With LOTRO going F2P I worry about how Turbine/Codemasters plan to protect the sanctity of such server communities with an open door policy F2P brings.. as undoubtedly it will allow a mass influx of the kinds of gamer that force such RP oriented communities to become miche outcasts forced to hide in some corner or tavern somewhere in order to avoid the harrassment and constant inane global nonsense most games suffer from.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 1:52PM spartanthetriviumorg said

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I think it would be real nice if Turbine offered a server for current Founders and LtS people to transfer to and keep it as a separate community from the F2P folks. As a collateral benefit, it could always be used as a control group for future endeavors.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 1:04PM (Unverified) said

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At least now we know where Turbine stands on its plans for LOTRO. LOTRO will no longer be the admirable attempt at a Tolkien-themed, immersive, epic MMO it was initially, or the less-than-epic hodge podge of grindy meta games it is currently.

Instead, for a host of casual players, LOTRO will become a sort of "Farmville: Fantasy Adventure Edition" where they can dress up and chat with one another and pretend they are playing an MMO when they are not busy on Facebook or Twitter. The in-game store will ensure that folks with a credit card and Turbine Points will not be excessively hampered by challenging content, while at the same time ensuring that players who want new content can and will pay extra for it.

I don't have any doubts that this was a profitable business move on the part of Turbine/ WB, and I will continue to make use of my recently purchased one-year subscription, albeit more casually. However, it will certainly leave me looking elsewhere for a more satisfying MMO experience.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 2:12PM (Unverified) said

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A thing for LifeTime subs to consider.

They are guilty (in part) of the shift to the F2P side, which some so hate. They have bought a LifeTime sub, meaning that after one year they all became a massive burden, dragging the oh-so-beloved beloved game down.

Face it, you play the game for free. Yes, you paid for 1 year in advance. Yet, the MMO itself is not free. Traffic is not free, nor maintance, new content and so on.

It's like pensions - as long as there are enough working people to support the "deserved rest" of the old, all is fine. Yet, pensioners do remain parasites, if we look heartlessly at the purely functional side of the question (OK, it's not that simple, but the point is clear, I hope).

The same true for MMO-s - imagine that all the people playing bought LifeTime. It would be dandy for 1 year... but then, what? A population of any given MMO just can't grow indefinitely...

F2P gives steady inflow of money + is more flexible in many ways. It means (hopefully) more money for devs, and if the devs are smart, it will also mean more/better content for players.

Posted: Jun 5th 2010 8:03PM (Unverified) said

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I happen to be a lifetime subscriber, and a founder, having purchased my lifer pass during beta. I've been perfectly happy with the product ever since, and I have zero issued with the proposed changes to the model since it doesn't appear to affect me at all (if anything, it looks like I might be able to access future content releases for free, by accruing points just by logging in, rather than shelling out $30+ for each new expansion or content pack).

Please don't try to spin this to make lifers out to be winy elitists and DEFINITELY don't concoct this illusory image of lifetime subscriptions being a drag on revenue. You have absolutely zero data to support that, and you know it. It drags down rational discourse regarding the proposed FtP model and turns it into a blame game.

Anyway, just chiming in. I admire your intent but I think you should have thought this one out before commenting.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2010 2:20AM (Unverified) said

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"Rational discussion" is somewhat missing in theads like this one. Quater of the posters flame without reading anything, some act just like the "winy elitists", LtS or no.

As for the data - well, the only way to get such a data is to hack the relevant databases... which is just not my way. :)

Point about LtS slowly killing (or creating some lost revenue, if you need more lax term) the game is based on pure logic. And it is perfectly true, as far as logic goes. The real effect is known to the Turbine only, of course.

My point was not about LtS being a bunch of "winy elitists" (rational people just don't whine, and are less visible :), yet I don't doubt that greater part of LOTRO community is rational). It was rather about the economic effect they produce (as a side note, there is no evidence that there will be a "Lifetime VIP" option, which is... suggestive :) ).

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As for discussion - making Creeps VIP-only is not a sound move. I say, Premium/Free should be allowed to creep too, with some limitations, perhaps.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2010 8:48AM (Unverified) said

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Ok so, Free players are only able to play the newbie zones and aren't able to do the quests outside of them untill they purchase a zone? Sounds like it's just like the warhammers unlimited free trial? I don't understand why they would not include content that allows you to reach level cap without any micro transactions from the in game store just to grab a few quests? If that is so this will just be a grind fest straight from starter zone to level cap? This really isn't for me.

Posted: Jun 7th 2010 1:12PM (Unverified) said

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All ive really got to say is Thanks Nym for defending some one us "good" F2P'ers. As a NWN player of several years now, id like to think im a very good player, regardless of what game i go into. Ive never been banned from a game, ever, and most often im a very friendly guy who loves to RP and get into the lore and setting. As well as the character im playing.

Its sad to see that kind of elitism coming from some of the LotR community, but im sure there was some of that as DDO transfered over to F2P as well. There will always be players who think that way, and while i dont personally think its right, they can think however they want.

As a person who has watched LotR Online since its release but has never had the time to justify a subscription, i plan to take advantage of the offer and make my own decisions from there. Sure the game is very likely to get a very large amount of "bad apples" but in the same sense it will gain many more excellent players who only wish to have fun, RP wise or just playing to experience the game.

Posted: Jun 8th 2010 1:38PM Wismac said

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I was really excited, until I saw there wasn't a Mac OS version :( now I'm sad.

Posted: Jun 10th 2010 1:35PM (Unverified) said

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Thing is LotRO does have a nice community, not because the current players are 'elitist' but because there is just not much 'barrens chat' anymore. I know when the game fist came out the global channels were full of racist, sexist, unfunny spammy junk from kids so I turned em off however for a long time that has not been the case.

It's nice in a strongly lore based game to know the people you meet in game give half a bleep about the books/movies and are not just a bored 12 year old looking for a public place to say naughty words.

But it's really a side-line, I played DDO pre and post F2P and it was about as fun both ways. It would however make me sad if the Shire became spammy naked elf dancing central, it is THE best zone in any mmo I have ever played and I still enjoy just walking around listening to the music and sightseeing years later.

Posted: Aug 11th 2010 6:04PM (Unverified) said

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Now that some time has passed they really aren't doing it right. Turbine has elected to go Pay to Win rather than F2P.

Any discussion of the overpowered potions that are only available in the Store result in thread deletions.

Reputation mounts are now being sold to level 5 players and they don't need the Reputation to ride them. Imagine the Elves of Lothlorien seeing a level 5 riding one of their prized horses when they one-shot people without enough Reputation at their border.

Tolkien would be rolling over in his grave seeing Wal Mart take over Middle Earth

Posted: Aug 12th 2010 7:39PM (Unverified) said

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Unfortunately this is correct. By now we know that they will sell (for real-world money) level 60 (== endgame) potions that will give you much more the healing over time than the next best potions that you can get in-game. Google "Superior Draughts of Morale" to get the stats.

On their forums topics about these potions are closed or deleted.

There are a couple more stat improving items that are not quite as drastic as these potions but definitely not "convenience". So plans seem to have changed since Kate gave this interview.

That's too bad because other f2p changes are highly anticipated by players. The fear that real world money will buy in-game combat capabilities you can't earn otherwise turned out to be justified, though.

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