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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:44PM (Unverified) said

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Interesting news. What happens to the guy like me that has been away for a year and wants to check out the new deal? I had hundreds of gold, lots of good stuff, the recent expansion, etc. Do I keep that? Do I keep it if I don't log on once a month?

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:51PM Seraphina Brennan said

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From what we understand, you'll get to keep all of that. If you're over any caps or limits, what you have is just "locked out" until you undo the limit.

So, in essence, you will lose nothing forever. You might just be down a few things, but that's easily replaceable, as you'll have plenty of unlocks just from buying the game and the Mines of Moria.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 1:37AM Samael said

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I just know about the gold. If you decide not to play and let your VIP slide and at that time you have lets say 200g. Then when you come back and check out the game, you will still have 200g and be able to spend 200g, but most likely won't be able to earn anymore than that, until you go under 5g again.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:58PM Lateris said

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"As we release new content that's free for subscribers, it'll be free for lifetimers."

So how is expansions addressed?

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:25PM aurickle said

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I believe that future expansions will come out using the Freemium model. That means that some regions will be free to all, while some regions might only be available to those who buy them with Turbine points. Even in the regions that are free to all, they might have quests in them that can only be played by buying.

All of this stuff will most likely be free to VIP players.

They might occasionally come out with a huge expansion that unlocks a whole region. Those will most likely be broken down into a la carte chunks. For example, if MoM was to release now it would probably be done as the Eregion and Mines maps with some quests, Bonus quests for even more content, the RK class, the Warden class, the level 60 cap raise, Legendary Items. You could buy these separately, or as a whole bundle and get a discount. Either way, VIP players (including lifetimers) would need to buy these the same way that freemium players would. The difference is that VIP's have also been getting 500 points a month. So if the expansion costs 6,000 points for the whole bundle a VIP player could actually get it for free if he'd saved all his points that year.

This is just speculation, but it's based in part on what they've done with DDO in the last year as well as the things they've said in their various official posts.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:25PM Tanek said

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Good question. I'm not sure I have seen a concrete example of what an expansion would be vs. the content updates. Or even that there will be a traditional expansion after this. If anyone has seen information on that, I'd be interested in Turbine's explanation.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:18PM DiscoJer said

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People who don't understand the concern have probably never played a F2P game.

But think about it. How can games suddenly support several times the number of players? By finding new and creative ways of gouging those players that are hard core about the game.

Often this consists of deliberately nerfing stuff, in order to sell buff potions of various types. Which seems to be the case with the DDO store, half of it is potions.

Want to do this raid? Need Cash Shop potions to just survive. Want to level up in a timely manner? Need to use xp potions.

Basically, for every person that used to pay $15 a month, they'll now probably have to pay $30-40 to play the game in a similar manner.

Go play just about any F2P game. That's the case there (once you hit a certain level) in every one I've played. Why will LOTRO be different? It won't.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:35PM aurickle said

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Why would LotRO be any different? Because DDO was.

After the switch to Unlimited, VIP players could still play EXACTLY the same way as before. They still got all the new content. They still had all the old content. Nothing really changed except that the free (for them) content started coming out faster. VIP players never have to buy any adventure packs, and most of what is in the store can very reasonably be earned in game. Things like the 32-point build for example isn't all that hard to earn in game, but could be purchased by a VIP player who just wanted a shortcut. Same with the Drow race.

Even the various stuff that isn't free under DDO's VIP plan is still easily bought in reasonable quantities by using the free points that VIP players get every month.

In other words, the way that Turbine does this model is such that VIP is the way to save money if you're a serious player. The free accounts get some stuff, but it's a glorified trial more than anything. The premium accounts spend money to unlock content and can actually end up paying more than a VIP account would cost. On the other hand, for the casual player a premium account is really the way to go since you won't consume content fast enough to reach what a VIP account would cost.

Turbine's approach doesn't give advantages to freemium players. It simply introduces a different price model that works great for people who just want to check the game out or who don't play often enough to really justify $15 a month -- but might not mind $5 or the occasional $10.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:26PM Deadalon said

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"As we release new content that's free for subscribers, it'll be free for lifetimers."

Oh... I thought this was a free to play game...

This game is NOT free to play cause you will NOT be able to play all content of the game unless you pay special access to dungeons and areas. Thats NOT a free to play game. That is a pay to play game. Its that simple.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 9:27PM (Unverified) said

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Once that content is bought, you can play it as many times and with as many characters you want to play it with. You dont need to furiously grind it cause you need to get the best bang for your 15 bucks for each month.

As many have said, Turbines F2P model is perfect for the crowd that just doesn't have that much time to play while also being perfect for the people that do have the time to play it.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:06PM Scuffles said

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If they handle it like DDO you can also earn TP in game so in theory it can be totally F2P.

But it really is more of a (and god I hate this term) freemium model
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 10:55AM Cendres said

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Who cares what it's called? :)
You give someone money you get to enjoy some stuff.. The difference is the point of access is now open as before you needed a heftier price of entry (box purchase, physical or digital).
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 9:16PM Sorithal said

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Well, hopefully Landroval will still remain as the non-official RP server, and not be flooded with players who are of the typical free-to-play crowd.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 9:42PM Duulin said

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but according to the press release Landroval is now the official nude OMFG ROFL hobbit server.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:44PM (Unverified) said

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I bought the entire game just last month when it was on sale for $10.. I wonder if I get any bonuses when the F2P version launches. (I'm not currently subscribing.)

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:48PM (Unverified) said

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You will be able to play the entire game that you've bought without paying when it's F2P. Anything new will be store-bought or subscriber-only.

So, it's time to hit up those LOTRO sales, boys and girls! Buy the entire game now for as cheap as you can get it, so you can get as far ahead of the store as you can :D
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:53PM (Unverified) said

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Wow.. that's great news. Thanks!
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:06PM Lateris said

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Thank you for the replies but I find the store transactions as a "not my cup of tea" issue. I feel it is a division of the terrain map that is broken down into an economic drainage on a wonderful community and a fantastic game. I am sorry but I don't agree with Time Warner and Turbines decision on this. A short time ago before DDO went F2P Turbine posted employment for a store transaction manager. The community reacted. The community was told it will never happen to LOTRO. They lied. To me this is a game I will not support. And I find that I do not need to agree but rather disagree with the F2P model. It kills the world design and map design. This also changes the community of LOTRO. As for myself I choose not to select this game so that I am not nickeled and dimmed based on instant gratification. I mean this as no offense to any fellow readers and certainly I am not slamming any of you. I am slamming the money pit that Turbine has become. I feel LOTRO should of stayed the same and they should of worked on another MMO. Sadly, this explains why the content slowed down after mines of Moria.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:22PM Cristiano Cenizo said

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As a lifetime subscriber this looks to be pretty good. I've played LotRO for 2 years, so I have made more than good use of my $200. Permanent free VIP access w/ a monthly allowance is going to be pretty nice, especially with how many games I bounce around to these days.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:23PM Its Utakata stupid said

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*Watches from a distance as J.J.R.Tolkien rolls in his grave*

...the unfortunate part, Turbine/Warner will likely make a lot of money from this. :(

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