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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:34PM RogueJedi86 said

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In the announcement post earlier today, someone suggested that Monster Play is going away, what's the story on that? I'd hate for them to get rid of that. PvMP was fun. :(

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:46PM Tanek said

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I don't see any indication that it is going away. As a matter of fact, I may have even seen mention that it will be getting some of the attention we've asked for, though I don't know if that is a short of long term thought.

I did think it odd that only VIP players will have access to PvMP in the new model, but it made sense once I saw the reason. Opening it to the free level of access has the potential to immediately and devastatingly overpopulate the 'moors with monster players.

As with most anything else, I'd imagine Turbine will be watching such things and if they see a need to make a change in the new model they will adjust.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:52PM SpaceGoat said

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It's not going away, it will only be available to "subscribers" (not F2P).
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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It is a sad day indeed. LotRO had one of the best, most mature communities in this space.

Goodbye concerts at the Prancing Pony, hello ohai, obai, *edited* rolfs.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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So even though I already spent money to acquire the lands in the game and bought moria I can't use the rune keeper or warden during free to play unless I buy it again? That seems like a rip off right there.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:51PM Tanek said

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I believe (and I'll look for the link to back it up so you can have something more solid than my belief) that if you purchased Moria you will still have access to those classes and that content. So, no, you would not have to purchase it again.

There is alot of speculation and misinformation flying about, so make sure to double check anything you hear against what Turbine has actually announced.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:59PM Tanek said

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From the FAQ:
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# I purchased the Mines of Moria™ Expansion and/or the Siege of Mirkwood™ Expansion. Can I still access this content? Will I still be able to play my Rune-keeper or Warden characters? What if I unsubscribe?

When LOTRO Free-to-Play becomes available you will still be able to access the content and features of any expansions you have previously purchased. Whether you are a VIP or a Premium player, the content and features of these expansions will be available to you in their entirety.

If you decide not to join the VIP program or decide to downgrade to Premium player status, the content and features of these expansions will still be available to you. You will still be able to play your Rune-keeper and Warden characters as long as they are in character slots you have selected or have unlocked by visiting the LOTRO Store.
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Also, you are automatically a Premium subscriber for having purchased the game in the past, so yes, this does apply to you if you currently have Mines of Moria and do not want to pay the subscription for VIP when the new model launches.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:47PM Deadalon said

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lol... and you thought lifetime stuff actually was something that lasted for a lifetime... Nope - it lasted to the day when the devs ran out of money.

The sad part about this all... The greatest adventure of all times was is actually worth nothing in a game version. That says more about the developer. They have ignored the huge stubling block of the title for years... and ofc it leads to less and less ppl playing.

Lets start with the begining of this game. Fix the animations - then lets see how many will actually enjoy playing it.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:53PM Tanek said

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Yeesh, I hate to have it look like I am just roaming around defending this move (I, too, have some concerns over it), but I am trying to quash misinformation where possible.

Lifetime subscriptions will still mean something. People with lifetime will be VIP without paying any monthly fee. Meaning? They still get what they had before. The new content will be open to them and they have no subscription to pay. :)
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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You're not losing anything at all, only gaining.
You keep everything you have access to right now, and then on top of that
Turbine gives you points free every month (like, free money).

Win-Win situation here.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:59PM (Unverified) said

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Wrong - you're losing the mature, considerate adult community as it gets filled with people who don't care enough about the IP to pay for a sub. There is a lot that goes on in LoTRO now that will be impossible under a flood of hopping around disrespectful freepers. It has one of the best social activities in the genera with its music system and the RP community is phenomenal. You need a safe space to do that kind of thing though and a F2P environment will destroy that safe space.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 6:59PM Scuffles said

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Well I might actually give the game a look now, sorta been interested but I'm of the exact opposite line of thought as the P2P snobs. I really won't touch anything P2P with a 10ft pole I don't care for the P2P model what so ever.

P2P games have on average the same number of jerk players, gold/RMT spammers and by proxy unfair advantage to people with deep pockets. Not sure I buy the deep pockets having an advantage argument after DAoC: Trials of Atlantis, where the argument against it seemed to be belly aching about people with more play time had an unfair advantage with artifacts......

So other than Keeping out the unwashed masses, what does P2P really offer.... As long as the company in question doesn't go off the stupid greedy end and hell a decent portion of P2P games seem to be trying to weasel in Cash Shops on top of the subscription Fee. Arguably Turbine is the Steam of the F2P world and by that I mean the gold standard in generally how to do F2P right. So I guess all I can say to the people freaking out about it, is to stock up on hand sanitizer.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:45PM (Unverified) said

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LOTRO isn't your average P2P community - when I played, we ALL kept it clean. Anyone being a jerk was instantly reported by enough people to have a GM down on them in minutes. We had contests in Bree chat to see who could be the fastest to report spammers. Good times....
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Posted: Jun 5th 2010 5:35PM (Unverified) said

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I think it's interesting how you mentioned how Turbine is the Steam of the F2P world. I know it seems like eons ago now, but there was a time when Steam was universally reviled. Remember that Turbine is F2P's champion since they took an ailing game and made it a massive success. What will happen if they make a successful game a failure?
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:14PM Pewpdaddy said

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This is simple IMO, look what this same model did for DDO. Their population exploded after they went F2P. I was subbed to DDO for a good 8 months, that was money they would not have made at all otherwise.

Kudos to Turbine, one of the few developers that is consistant. I may make a triumphant return to LoTRO been debating for some time just didnt want to pony up the money for the Xpacks =]

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:26PM EdmundDante said

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I think they're making the right move. And it looks as if they are not betraying their founding base. What really perked up my ears was the one sentence stating they do plan on working on Monster Play. yay!

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:31PM (Unverified) said

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I think reading the official forums and other sites people are way more upset there is no new content coming before Nov (?) and no timeline for when to change LI's and Radiance.

Consensus Translation: MT won't affect me, game is still stalled, wait for influx for MT newbs and then apply SOE-NGE rage

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:33PM Cendres said

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I'm not understanding how some people are under the assumption that this move means less updates and less eventual polish and that outstanding fixes will never happen?

Doesn't more money coming in logically = more development?

Is this assumption coming from older outdated F2P games that people have been scarred with?

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 8:45PM Scuffles said

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Yeah its generally an issue more so when your dealing with a publisher and not the developer, more so when its obvious that the developer could care less as long as the game eeks by and makes some money.

This game Turbine is the developer so more cash is going to be an incentive to continue to tweak the game and expand on its content.

I will say that in the past tho a lot of F2P games have been total crap and unfortunately the stigma has stuck around. They are getting to the point now where F2P games can start going toe to toe with the generally better funded P2P games in the quality and content department.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 7:42PM ed511df3 said

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To Lifetime subscribers: This changes nothing for you. Depending on when you bought that lifetime sub, you've probably gotten your money's worth already. After this goes F2P, you'll still have all the same benefits you currently enjoy, and you don't have to pay a single dime. You'll have access to all of the content in game. Mostly what the store will be for you is fluff and I believe exp potions and the like. Since you're accruing points before this even starts, AND you get 500 more per month after, chances are you won't have to give another dime to Turbine ever unless you choose to, or they come out with another pay expansion.

In other words, get a grip, and quit crying over nothing. This is a good thing.

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