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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:43AM (Unverified) said

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I would also like to chime in and say, it's GREAT to see a company trying this on a successful game and not just to save one. Finally we can see this model applied to a game because the developers/publishers think it's the way to go, not just because it's the last option.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:43AM Bri said

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So as a former subscriber, I'm being reduced to 3 character slots (down from 8) and 3 bags per character (down from 5) when my account gets converted to "premium".
What happens to my characters 4 to 8? Will they be deleted? Or just locked? Will I get to choose which ones?
And what happens to any stuff I have in my last 2 bags? Deleted? Or will I get a "free subscription week" to log in and clean up my inventory before the conversion?

With f2p characters only having 2 or 3 bags per character, they had better do something about all the damn tokens and alternate currencies.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:46AM Cendres said

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If I remember right from DDO your existing characters you can't play stay locked out until you renew your subscription. I could not play my monk in DDO but it was there.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 12:46PM aurickle said

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I just went through this in DDO when I decided to switch from VIP to f2p.

The game will immediately lock the extra characters. However, you will see a screen at your first log in that asks which characters you wish to remain playable. The others will remain on the screen, but will be locked until/if you decide to purchase a subscription or buy more slots.

Also, if you decide to delete one of the unlocked characters you will again be given the list to choose which characters you want unlocked. That allows you to unlock one of the previously locked characters or completely change things around.

Finally, if one of the characters you select as unlocked is a Rune-Keeper or Warden then that character will be put in the unlocked list but will still be kept as locked until you choose to purchase access to the class.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2010 3:06AM (Unverified) said

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First off, if you have 8 characters right now (meaning you purchased MoM (7), and then the AP to get 9) you would then have a total of 7 character slots. Anything you have purchased before, you will continue to take advantage of. As far as the one character slot that you lose? You'll be able to pick which ones you want to use, and the 8th character will be made inactive until you either start your subscription again, or purchase another slot with points.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:43AM Jesse A said

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Hmmm... so this explains why some of the game's glaring problems (radiance, legendary items) have been neglected since SoM... they're busy prepping for F2P.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:48AM mode7overworld said

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Wow. I just started playing LOTRO this month.

I had been holding out, mistakenly thinking it was probably a F2P quality game. But when its third year rolled by without changing subscription models, I figured it wasn't going to happen, so I picked it up anyway. Now, even 10 levels into the game, I've been surprised by all its features and expanse. Definitely worth paying for.

But now it looks like my free month won't even be up before the beta hits.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:52AM Bri said

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Fair enough. Did you get to pick your active character during the process? And what about any gold I have above the new 5g cap?

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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Not going to lie, just found this page http://www.lotro.com/betasignup/vipchart.html and I'm a little ticked now.

Obviously, since I own everything I get the level cap of 60 and all my quests (I hope), but my Rest XP is removed, I only get 2 slots per trait type, my crafting guilds are limited, my wardrobe is taken away, I can no longer use destiny points, monster play is no longer available, and I get no customer support?

Big thing here is NO MONSTER PLAY. That's a big thing. It's the game's only real PvP and now it will be more dead than it already is.

Essentially, the free mode is an expanded trial, and premium is a "Maybe" mode and then once you pay you get the actual game. They need to fix this I think. Give Premium members all the bags, gold cap removal (just stupid), rest XP (at least make it purchasable) let free and prem. have Monster Play access, open up traits with one purchase, and open up wardrobe. Then I'd be happy.

Although if the prices are cheap, I wouldn't mind spend 15 bucks once to get my bags, wardrobe, and gold cap off. Although Monster Play HAS to be available to premium players. Really, it will be dead if not.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:09AM potaco said

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"Obviously, since I own everything I get the level cap of 60 and all my quests (I hope), but my Rest XP is removed, I only get 2 slots per trait type, my crafting guilds are limited, my wardrobe is taken away, I can no longer use destiny points, monster play is no longer available, and I get no customer support?"

Um, you can't do any of that stuff without paying for a subscription right now... so what exactly are you losing?
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 12:06PM Kaoy said

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I think you are misunderstanding, a little bit. 'Premium' is what you get when you buy points, for a certain amount of time. VIP would just be asking you to continue paying your monthly fee + giving you free points to spend on anything they add to their shop. Think of it as being about to pay $5 dollars a month to get a couple little things, or paying the full price and getting it all. That said, either way you still have to by expansions like you do now.

I hope that makes it a little more clear.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 12:24PM (Unverified) said

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Oh, thank you. I though VIP was something special, like a particular number of purchases or something.

Thank you for the clarification.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 10:57AM Harley Dude said

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Hmm not sure what I think of this. Like a few others, I play on Landroval and I'm concerned with what will happen to the community with an influx of the F2P crowd.

I knew going F2P helped DDO immensely, but I wasn't aware that DDO opened new servers when it went F2P. Maybe they can open a couple new servers and make one them RP tagged, or even finally give Landroval an official tag.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:01AM (Unverified) said

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I say, people should try and be a bit more intelligent, you know.

F2P no longer means "bad game". There are bad P2P MMOs and there are bad F2P MMOs. F2P is just more accessible and flexible, hence - more games use it, and hence also - more bad games run on it.

A "good" F2P of the future may be just as good as "good" P2P of the present.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:05AM foomchee said

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This is good news. I'm back into DDO because of Turbine's restructuring of that game and this will probably bring me back to LOTRO. I'm not looking for a "f2p", but I do not have the time to justify subbing to a game and as a working adult with a wife and kids I really don't want to see another monthly bill coming in. That said, I have and will continue to buy Turbine points from the DDO store to use as I see fit and to fit my schedule.

As far as going f2p ruining the player base...I'm sorry, but after paying monthly to play WOW and level to 80 on a couple of toons I have found the community in DDO well above what I was used to in the p2p WOW.

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:06AM (Unverified) said

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Gandalf stood on the rocky precipice, high above the flaming chasm below, the Balrog turning towards him.

The great wizard paused for a moment, then slammed his staff into the ground shouting "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"

The Fellowship, watching from safety behind, observed as the Balrog appeared to reach into it's back pocket and produce a Tablet Of Visa.

Gandalf extended his staff to take hold of the sacred Tablet, before materialising a strange device that appeared to accept the Tablet, causing the device to flash green.

With a seemingly regretful glance behind him towards the Fellowship, Gandalf stepped to one side of the rocky ledge before raising his hands and shouting "YOU MAY PASS!"...

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A young adventurer stumbled across the home of Tom Bombadil.
"Hi diddly-ho young hero!"

The young man couldn't believe his eyes - who was this strange, cheery figure?
"Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None have ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster."

After listening to more songs from Tom, the adventure continued..
"..so I need you to help me get to The Great Barrows, then?"

"Ahhh - why yes-diddly-ess you do-iddly-oo!" "HOWEVER.."

"..however? However what?"

"Eldest, that's what I am...Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn...he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Eye of Warner came from Outside.."

"Pardon?" asked the young man, clearly confused.

Tom leaned in close to the adventurer's ear and whispered:
"Look, sorry mate, but things just haven't been the same since the Eye of Warner came along.. um I'm gonna have to ask you to go see my wifr Goldigger - she's by the water's edge at the northern border of the Old Forest."

"What?"

"Just go see Goldigger ok? She's got a Bucket Of Cash. You'll need to help her fill it up.. a Tablet of Visa should suffice.. once you've accomplished that task, then.."

Tom ran to the middle of the room, breaking into dance before shouting:

"..then Tom-diddly-om will be able guide-diddly-ide you to The Great Barrow!"
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:42AM whateveryousay said

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Just like I remember it growing up. Timeless.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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Genius... I knew Bombadil was up to something
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Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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Here's to LOTRO getting more players and profit. *drink*

Posted: Jun 4th 2010 11:11AM Dblade said

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What do current subscribers think? Because in my experience F2P usually makes people into the game at an endgame level to cost a lot more due to the need for consummables and other things. F2P sounds nice in theory, but if you really get into a game without fail you soon find you are nickel and dimed for much more than you paid at sub, or everything gets a lot harder.

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