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Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 4:25PM (Unverified) said

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I feel exactly the opposite about making raiding more accessible. It used to be a real challenge to clear content and if you weren't good enough then you didn't get see the next boss. It pushed you to get better and improve your play. Now all you have to do is grind endless boringly easy bosses and you can enjoy all the best rewards in the game.

Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 3:41PM Barinthos said

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No...you don't. There's still heroics and hard modes that provide better gear, and it's still a challenge.

Making raiding more accessible means that people that work 40 hours a day, have a family and goes out with friends, you know...have a life, can experience the content without having to devote themselves to "improve their play" just to see content they're paying just as much as you are to see.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 10:30PM Celeras said

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Completely agree with dbcoop. 'Accessible to everybody' basically means dumbing it down to the point where the people who USED to enjoy this content on the cutting-edge are now left challengeless.

Progression is dead, all that's left is mindless farming. Good for people who could never progress previously, bad for people who.. you know, didn't suck.
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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It's an opinion barthinos. You have yours I have mine. I liked the game when it was more difficult ala Sunwell. It took us all of three lockouts to do 11/12 in ICC herioc mode so yeah, it was easy. One encounter has been challenging out of 22 so in my opinion I'm not getting what I paid for.

Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 6:00PM ewingmaestro said

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Iv never understood this, "its just an opinion" thing. If you say something, you are boldly expressing your point of view and are expecting it to reach or effect people in some way, or there's no point in saying it. And if its designed to effect people, and the person in question disagrees, then they should have every right to argue a case.

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Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 2:16AM Unverfied B said

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Then we're lucky that blizzard shares our opinion and not yours, eh?
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Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 4:51PM kgptzac said

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I don't play WoW but I've played quite a few MMORPG that have raiding... and you guessed it, they require some degrees of setting up the team... and it also involves players behave in a way to ensure the raid's maximum efficient. To me, "raiding" represents highly coordinated group works; hence, the idea of "everybody can go raid" somehow makes me feel odd.

I guess I'm at the more "devoted" part of MMO playing spectrum, and friends who used to play WoW complained how "communist" the game has become.

Posted: Jun 2nd 2010 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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Yay Ashbringer!

In case some of you aren't aware, if you go into the 'Escape from Durnholde' instance in the Caverns of Time and travel to the Southshore Inn, you can observe the very meeting where the idea of making Ashbringer itself was discussed.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 12:15AM Innocentte said

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Well, if you think raiding is 'accessible to everyone', then you have obviously NOT tried to get a character up to, and into ICC Raids.

You have to Grind, Grind, Grind, heroics for MONTHS to get EoT and EoH, just to get to the >minimum< level of Gear that will get you accepted.

Then, you have to find a Guild that will even let you go without already having experience in ICC. The call of "Must Know Fights" has never been more pervasive.

No one does Naxx or Ulduar anymore, so ICC is it. And, if you are not already geared, guilded, and experienced, you can forget it.

If you think that is off, then check out what Blizzard is going to do with the raiding in Cataclysm.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 11:57AM (Unverified) said

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Before ICC, it'd take a month just to down ONE boss in the instance just from lockouts, figuring out strategy, getting the right combination of classes, farming resistance gear, gearing up in general, and getting enough money for the repair costs. (BWL anyone?)

And after you finally killed that boss, that purple you got was actually worth something. It was you and 3 other people who actually had it.

Raiding has become a giant Costco in WoW. You walk by and sample things until you find one you like, and just get it.

So no, raiding is accessible to anyone. You ask the buddy who used my 12 month inactive account, and geared it up fully with ICC25 gear within this month.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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Correction, before WoTLK.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 1:25PM SgtBaker said

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> So no, raiding is accessible to anyone. You ask the buddy who used my 12
> month inactive account, and geared it up fully with ICC25 gear within this month.

Oh do pray tell:
- How old is your buddy?
- Wife?
- How many kids does he have?
- Does he work at least 40 hours a week at real job?
- What other activities does he have after work (driving kids to soccer etc?).
- Also, please make sure you include the amount of hours he spent playing during this - oh so magical - month.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 8:17AM (Unverified) said

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Interesting fanfic?

if it's a fanfic it's not interesting and if it's interesting it's not a fanfic.

actually, that's not true:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2945837/1/Halflife_Fulllife_Consequences

now that's some, er, interesting writing!

Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 9:10AM Enikuo said

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I'm curious, is everyone that complains about raids being dumbed down to be accessible doing the heroic/hard mode version of raid content? Are the heroic/hard mode raids too easy too?

Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 10:23AM Barinthos said

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From what I've seen on other forums like MMO Champ and even the Blizz forums(granted they tend to whine on alt characters) haven't even killed reg Lich King. So it baffles me as to why, and how, people can say that raiding is easy mode now.

Is it easier than Sunwell, that only about 3% of the top guilds in the world saw at it's peak, yes definitely. Is it easy enough for any random Naxx geared 80 PUG to waltz in and faceroll their way through it? No. I know personally, and found out the hard way, that it is not something just any old raid can go into and get phat lewtz.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2010 1:36PM SgtBaker said

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Certain Internet Hardmen and WoW players seem to think "tedious" is synonym for "elite".

However, as pointed out above, the amount of people who saw Sunwell was miniscule and the amount who actually completed is ridiculously low - so if you're one of those people crying about the dumbing down - gratz for being hardcore - and part of a extremely small minority. Now, let's just ignore you, because you don't matter anyhow.

And just because you just killed The Lich King with your normal little 10-man group doesn't make you elite.

I haven't actually played WoW since vanilla raiding days and I do have to say I applaud what Blizzard is doing. BWL back in the old days was just superannoying wipefest. Grinding drops in MC only to realize it's not going to drop - this time either? I'd rather sit on a cactus.

Now you have a decent shot at completing the content (and even then you do need to put in some :effort: and figure out which pixel you should be standing on during the bossfight).

For Tedious Ted, there's still the hardmode. Go grind boy!
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