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Posted: May 31st 2010 8:08AM Xanija said

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First we should wait and see, if Bioware makes a successful genre jump, or if we are going to see a Massively Singleplayer Online Roleplay Game.

Posted: May 31st 2010 8:13AM HackJack said

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Until everyone gives up on canons and predefined ideas about MMOs and MMO hybrids nothing new and cool can be made.

I think Rockstar is one of the few companies that can help that happen.

Posted: May 31st 2010 8:46AM CCon99 said

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RDR (especially in MP Free Roam) is more of a MMO than a game like STO turned out to be.

Posted: May 31st 2010 8:53AM (Unverified) said

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Agreed.
In fact both RDR and Saints Row 2 (in their coop/MP modes) feel more like I'm running around having a great time in an open world, hitting objectives and making progress, than the vast majority of MMO's I've played recently..
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Posted: May 31st 2010 5:23PM madbassman39 said

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I agree. Hell if they threw in some real missions and made it it's own game, I would probably be done with MMO's. I don't need a thousand players, I just need enough to form a party and do missions with. Its really cool cause you can have multiple parties doing different missions creating this living breathing world and there are only 16 people online at a time. Give me a game that does this and I will buy it with out even thinking about it.
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Posted: May 31st 2010 8:50AM Dranaerys said

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Please, for the love of god, make RDR MMO happen. As long as it isnt baked from the cookie-cutter WoW-style MMO mold, and isnt set in any sort of classic fantasy/superhero/scifi setting, anything different than what we get nowadays will be always appreciated.

Posted: May 31st 2010 8:59AM (Unverified) said

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That would be awesome. It also came to my mind when I played this game. I think RDR gameplay already could be a good foundation for a sandbox MMO in the wild west. It could feature different professions (combat and non combat ones), different factions to compete with eachother, have open PvP with consequences for outlaws, bounty hunting, player run cities, etc.
And most important ... it would be something different from all the fantasy and scifi MMO's out there.

Posted: May 31st 2010 9:09AM Valdur said

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Posted: May 31st 2010 9:05AM Jimjamyaha said

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On the flip side of things, I've found RDR to be one of the most glitchy of Rockstar's sandbox games, everything from missions unable to continue because a horse wasn't there or an npc being caught on an obstacle and unable to move around.

I think if anything I think games like RDR could do with updated patches (console games don't seem to get the same kind of patching even these days with exclusions like LittleBigPlanet), but there just isn't enough testing to catch everything, unlike with a large MMO community.

Posted: Jun 1st 2010 7:31PM illansesher said

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The problem with turning a awesome game like RDR into an MMO is who's the enemy for PVP? Natives? Racism issues, but the game is sooo good & I'd love a western MMO's.

Posted: May 31st 2010 9:21AM Wisdomandlore said

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RDR makes better sense as a MMO to me than the long-rumored GTA MMO. The wild west is far more appealing than any claustrophobic city. Rockstar wouldn't even need to change the game that much. The free roam online mode is a great basic model.

Posted: May 31st 2010 9:28AM (Unverified) said

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"the single-player space, and more specifically Rockstar's recently released Red Dead Redemption."

I don't mean to get testy but RDR has a multi player mode which is what reviewers are all raving about, not the single player mode.

Anyway...I've been blogging and posting about a western themed MMO for years, maybe someday it will happen.

What worries me most about MMO expeditions into other settings these days is the brain pool seems to be seriously small in the genre and all anyone can come up with are generic level grinders who's big claim to fame is kill 10 rats with a raid at the end.

Posted: May 31st 2010 10:41AM Jef Reahard said

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Eh, the multiplayer doesn't do a whole lot for this reviewer, to be perfectly honest. It's not bad, but it's nothing I haven't done in a hundred other games. Kill everything that moves, level up for achievements and unlocks, blah, blah, blah.

The single player is why I bought and continue to play RDR. The amount of detail they put into crafting the game world never gets old, and there is quite a lot of replay value even before they start releasing DLC.
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Posted: May 31st 2010 11:03AM Duulin said

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Jef, put on your bandit hat and start hunting other players in the open world, find a hideout and let them hunt you down old west style. Guaranteed to be more fun than "Eh" :)
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Posted: May 31st 2010 11:52AM Jef Reahard said

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Yeah, I'm not bad-mouthing the multiplayer, it's fun. I just do it in small doses. Really enjoy clearing the forts with people, good times. All that's missing is the ability to spam 'I'm your huckleberry.'
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Posted: May 31st 2010 9:29AM (Unverified) said

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I wrote a blog about this back in february, here it is in part:


How I would make Red Dead Redemption better

Westerns are a genre that have not been done very well in the past, but I do truly enjoy them and their era.

Red Dead Redemption is a new western game by Rockstar Games that i feel is go to set an unprecedented bar for how games of this genre will be or should be made... I want to make it better.

Yes, Red Dead Redemption looks like it is going to be one of the best western games I've ever seen.

Red Dead Redemption videos and website:

www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption/agegate/ref=/


Not to nag, but to make it more fun, and to play more like an MMO. I'd add some very important qualities to it. To make it a western by which all westerns are compared.

1. It has to be for the PC also

2. Fishing ( you can hunt, you should be able to fish)... This would fill some of the gaps in an expansive world such as RDR. It would also add more fun.

3. A Homestead- A farm that can be built one log at a time or maybe a pre-built farm. This is where the player could store their items, decorate their homes etc.

The homestead is also where farming would take place, such as raising pigs, maybe cattle. And growing corn, various veggies, grain, beans etc. That can be used for crafting or can be sold raw, feed yer horses and cattle. you get the picture. Only NPC's and NPC events can attack and possibly affect a players homestead. Other players cannot. However, other players may visit another's homestead, call out the owner to a gunfight etc. But nothing will be lost... You might lose the gunfight, some exp etc.

4. Crafting- Players can craft various objects in the game from various things, such as making flour from wheat and cornmeal from corn, and cornbread from cornmeal. Stones for jewlery, decoration or resell to NPC.

Crafting would also include the use of fish for various things such as fertiliser, resell as food etc. Skins from animals into rugs, clothes, food, resell etc. Bones and stones into jewlery and so forth.

Note: Players wouldn't have to eat, but there would be a market for food.

5. Pet's- I once learned of an old man who lived in a cave that had a mountain lion for a pet , the old man had to kill his pet because it killed the child of his lover.

The west wasn't just about gunfights, they were fighting for something. Their land, their food, their rights and simply surviving with what they had trying to make a better lives for themselves. Some in peaceful ways such as farming. The farm was everything, family was of utmost importance. Survival was #1.

Posted: May 31st 2010 9:37AM (Unverified) said

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So.. one profession would be saloon girl? Sorry.. I can't see anything interesting here.. its just too limited. Maybe if you would go for a steampunk Wild Wild West setting.. but keeping it real? I don't think so...
What would group efforts be? Killing a tribe of Indians? I see a big discussion incoming about that one.. Or how about a fun evening of herding some cows? Awesome! And Heroic mode would be herding cats!

SciFi will be the next big MMO thing after all the Fantasy stuff.

Posted: May 31st 2010 10:52AM Jef Reahard said

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Well a western-themed MMO certainly wouldn't be for everyone, and that's kind of the point. There are plenty of cookie-cutter games out there with generic alien species #3421 for you to grind away on. Or generic fantasy world #427 with yet another variant on elves and orcs.

Historical games are a niche (I can't think of any aside from PotBS and maybe Sword of the New World off the top of my head), but one that I'd pay a premium for provided it was a true sandbox and not another progression treadmill.

In short, yes, bring on the cattle herding. I loved that mission in RDR's story mode, and I also love the horse-breaking missions, the gathering, and all the other stuff that Joe Powergamer hates.
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Posted: May 31st 2010 9:46AM (Unverified) said

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Back when I was a kid, we played PnP D&D, Villians & Vigilantes, Champions, Gamma World, and a western RPG called Boot Hill ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Hill_%28role-playing_game%29 ). I think this would also make a unique western MMO, especially if Rockstar developed it.

Posted: May 31st 2010 11:24AM nomoredroids said

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Boot Hill! Boot Hill!
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