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Posted: May 10th 2010 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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You don't really play this game do you?

The leveling path is unbelievably easier for the Elyos and they pretty much dominate every server except for maybe 2 or 3.

Posted: May 10th 2010 12:22PM (Unverified) said

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Evil is weaker because it's an easier choice to walk the path of destruction rather than build something good and worthwhile out of your life for the betterment of the entire race and planet.

Posted: May 10th 2010 7:56PM Graill440 said

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WTH?!

Gimme yer damn cookies!!!
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Posted: May 10th 2010 12:36PM Dkiddo said

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^^^^
agreed, the Elyos have it rediculously easy compared to the Asmos.
one example.....attunement for Fire Temple

Posted: May 10th 2010 1:01PM DrewIW said

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You've never levelled an asmo character?

Good luck, it's even worse than Elyos.

Posted: May 10th 2010 1:53PM Valentina said

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Yeah, lol the Elyos do dominate almost every server, and their leveling path is more efficient.

Posted: May 10th 2010 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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I like dark, evil, looking characters. And even if not completely, leaning towards that.

Posted: May 10th 2010 2:59PM TheRealStupid said

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I have to echo the above commenters. This article reads as if it was written by someone who did some passing research on the game but doesn't really have a good working knowledge of the actual play.

Elyos have a FAR easier time gaining levels, equipment and Abyss Points. The layout of their PvE areas is cleaner and more efficient. They have moderately easy quests which give them access to some really powerful weapons at level 30. And even in the Abyss, they have several very-easy low-level repeatable quests that give nearly 300AP in less than 30 minutes. Even the design of the Elyos city, Sanctum, is efficient and clean with all of the major city features gathered around two main hubs.

Elyos rule the Abyss on almost every server. They hold more fortresses, and hold them for longer than the Asmodians do.

On the other hand, Asmodians have a far easier time rifting into Elysea due to the open maps in Eltnen and Heiron. A good rifter will be able to kill for hours on a single portal.

It may be "cool" to play the "dark" side, but outside of rifting, the game is actually a lot smoother and fun for the Elyos.

Posted: May 10th 2010 3:20PM (Unverified) said

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I play an Elyos on Lumiel, let me tell you, the Asmos over there do not mess around! It's good to have good competition!

Posted: May 10th 2010 4:26PM (Unverified) said

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That was pretty interesting,...but even more interesting was the nature of the comments and responses that followed....

However, everyone seemed to be dancing around the real issue, as far as I'm concerned, which is the actual behavior of those individuals in-game (or at least a sub-set of them causing the most commotion), and their seeming propensity to simply want to ruin the game for others by events of obvious "griefing"... I mean,...what's the real motivation there... After having played the game to level 40, the majority of the "griefers" seem to be primarily those choosing to play Asmodians.... Why is that?

The comments make it seem as if the article was off-base in making it seem as if being an Asmodian is "easier". They seem to indicate just the opposite,...as if it's far easier to become a powerful Elyos, as if the game were made to cater to them and to make it harder to be an Asmodian..... Is this the reason for the apparently larger number of Asmodian griefers? If that's the case for real (it's so very much easier and more fun to play an Elyos),...then why are the Asmodians so popular,...and why do they seem to be more powerful at lower levels? And, the real question,...why is it so "fun" for that particular sub-set of folks playing Asmodians (here I refer to those same individuals we see "griefing" players over and over again...) to constantly harass those simply trying to enjoy playing the game from a story-perspective...either through exploration or questing? It's certainly not for the tiny amount of experience they gain for the kills. It's the fact that this petty act of "griefing" is so alluring to those individuals that I find the most disturbing...

It begs the questions, "What's wrong with them?"....and then especially "Why does NCsoft allow it to keep happening when they easily have the power to ban repeat offenders such as Wendies and X-Red, and others who seem to delight in nothing more than torturing other players strictly for the sake of their own perverse, sadistic, and petty pleasure...?"

Posted: May 10th 2010 4:29PM Jef Reahard said

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I too found the responses a bit strange, glad it wasn't just me. Most of the commenters are under the mistaken impression that I was somehow attacking Asmo players in the piece, when in reality I was only curious about what caused them to choose that faction in the first place.

I really could not care less about how hard it is to level, for either faction.
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Posted: May 10th 2010 4:26PM Jef Reahard said

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What exactly is a 'paid roleplay advertisement?' It sounds interesting and I'll definitely look into it, lol. Massively pays me to write, sure, but if someone wants to pay me to roleplay, well, I'm all ears. :p

On another note, I guess I'll just chalk this week's column up to a misunderstanding. Nowhere in it did I refer to anything about leveling, game mechanics, or how hard it is to be an Asmo (in gameplay terms). It was simply an exercise in looking at why people like the dark.

A couple of people above seemed to get that, the rest jumped all over the 'leveling an Asmo is so hard' train and here we are. Incidentally, if leveling an Asmo is in fact so much harder, I find it curious that the official statistics released by NCsoft (and linked in the article) show unequivocally that more people have rolled Asmos. Do you guys just not believe NCsoft's numbers when you say 'there are many more Elyos' or 'Elyos dominate?'

Finally, those of you questioning my game credentials are welcome to join me on Lumiel if you like. On the Asmo side, all I have is a baby glad (or will be a glad if I ever get time to level him to 10). On the Elyos side, I have a 42 sorc (Syrinx), a 28 sm (Aeronca), a 20 chanter (Luscombe) and a host of other alts, most right around 20. In fact, I'll wager that I've spent as much, if not more, time in game than anyone here who has insinuated that I don't play.

Cheers.

Posted: May 10th 2010 5:47PM DrewIW said

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The problem is that the number of characters don't tell the whole story.

Fortress captures are a more telling number, because they're a better indication of which faction has the most active, high-level players. On most servers control of the Abyss is skewed towards Elyos.

Myself? I have 4 Asmo characters past level 10, and only 2 Elyos. I rolled the Asmos for all the reasons you mentioned in your article. However, the Elyos characters are the ones that I actually gear out, and fight in the abyss with.

I know a lot of people like myself who would love to actually level up their Asmo characters, but the levelling experience is just so much easier for Elyos.

On a happier note, my mains (50 sorc, 36 Assasin) are on Triniel, but once we get the server transfers they'll probably be moving to Lumiel.
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Posted: May 10th 2010 6:27PM (Unverified) said

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Jef,

Speaking as a disgruntled, card-carrying Aion / NCsoft hater, all I can say is that there is just so much pent-up frustration toward NCsoft on how badly they've botched what Aion could have been -- that it is nigh impossible to avoid getting these types of responses when writing about Aion (at least on occasion -- though most articles regarding Aion here end up with a lot of negative comments).

Heck, I've probably criticized you at some point, as I do most writers on Massively, to be frank. However, I think you've done a better than average job of not always looking at the game through rose-colored lenses, as I think many game bloggers/authors are wont to do on sites such as Massively. You've been fairly transparent in relating the aspects of Aion which you don't care for or feel need improvement. I think the reaction to this particular article is a bit unfounded.

That being said... yeah. Aion and NCsoft/NCwest is a sore topic with myself and those that I game with.

Cheers.
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Posted: May 10th 2010 5:15PM (Unverified) said

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Yep,..I agree. I don't care about the comparative leveling/strategies for leveling between the races either... For me, it's not about power gaming, it's about whether the game is "fun" or not, and when you're playing a game that's essentially a story-driven "sand-box", even though elements of the story create factions, sides, alliances and so forth (thus also occasionally requiring players to fight against one another head-to-head), that's no excuse for poor behavior toward one another... And it's certainly no excuse to go out of one's way to ruin the fun of other players, regardless of whether they're on your "side" in the game's fiction or not...

Your article simply opened the door to questioning why folks choose to portray themselves "darkly"... Asmodians look "cool" to those who choose them because the aesthetic appeals to those who seem to enjoy looking "wicked". Let's not fool ourselves here,...villains are cool, otherwise they wouldn't be some of our favorite characters in movies, television, books, and other forms of entertainment... But there's a big difference in playing a cool villain from a fictional standpoint, and acting like a rebellious jerk who delights in tormenting others in ways that actually effect their ability to have fun in an environment that they pay good money to enjoy too...

I want to enjoy a well portrayed villain (looking all cool, and dark, and "gothy", or whatever) just like the next person... But if I'm trying to do that in an environment like a movie, or a game, or some other public forum (especially one I'm paying for), then the rules of social etiquette should still apply and be enforced if necessary... Being a villain in a movie is cool (as an example),... but being that abusive, loud, attention-craving jerk talking through that same movie I'm trying to enjoy is not cool...

The commenter "Stupid" made a very telling statement I'd like to repeat: "On the other hand, Asmodians have a far easier time rifting into Elysea due to the open maps in Eltnen and Heiron. A good rifter will be able to kill for hours on a single portal."

Wait a minute,... let's look at that statement a moment and then ask yourself "Kill WHO or WHAT for hours on a single portal?"... If the answer is "other Elyos players" then you begin to see why I'm bringing this up... Why is that so much fun for those individuals? There are only a few Elyos quests that actually require you to go and kill Asmodian players...and I'm assuming the same goes for Asmodian quests,...so why keep doing it again and again at others' expense, day in and day out, much to the dismay of folks who are merely trying to have good time?

Perhaps there are unscrupulous Elyos players doing the same thing on the Asmodae side of things too, but I'd be curious as to the real numbers, just as you are interested in the real numbers of players choosing Asmodians instead of Elyos... It's been my experience that there are FAR more Asmodian griefers than there are Elyos griefers... Why is that, and what DOES this say about those players?

Sorry to stray from your article's main thrust, I just wanted to expand on the theme of "Why do folks seem attracted to the dark side of the gaming experience?" by further asking "Why do a significant percentage of those that do (as opposed to those who play Elyos, or Alliance, or whatever) use their gaming experience merely as a means of griefing others, instead of enjoying the game as the role-playing experience (albeit watered down) it's meant to be...

It's called an MMORPG for a reason...

Posted: May 10th 2010 5:59PM Jef Reahard said

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That's an interesting question, and one I'll probably explore in a future column. I've been meaning to talk about PvP and the various mentalities of those who engage in it for awhile now.

By all means, discuss away. :p
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Posted: May 10th 2010 5:20PM Georgio said

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Still nothing about the disastrous financial report from NCSoft ? And the delay of the 1.9 patch ?

Posted: May 10th 2010 5:56PM Jef Reahard said

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I really haven't seen too much newsworthy about the report, tbh, beyond some inferences made by the forum crowd that wants Aion to be a failure. Also, stock reports in general don't give you a clear picture of what is going on with an mmo, particularly from a huge firm like NCsoft that has several such games, and even different versions of games for different markets.

As for 1.9, they never even announced a firm date beyond 'May,' so it's a little premature to be calling it a delay just yet.

All that being said, we're constantly looking for Aion news, rest assured.
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Posted: May 11th 2010 10:40AM Sukiyaki said

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The usual quarterly period of Gergio, Bossy and whatelese alts
he keeps switching through here.
Allready drooling for the next hottopic about Aion he can post his
biased and twisted "information" inside, now that the quarterlies
have been released and he doesnt have to pick or make some rumors up to keep on the slander.
Cannot even resist to spread some "latest bad news" about NCSoft
Games, even if it has to be an unrelated topic about some new pets or a topic just picking up on the lore and races of a game.
Just like so many others, who played the game by reading on forums and watching YouTube, repetitively and superficial voicing their "issues" they picked up somewhere and attacking anything related to the game.
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Posted: May 16th 2010 7:33PM (Unverified) said

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Why are people talking about leveling speed? No where in the article did he mention that it's easier for Asmos to level... He just wanted to know why people choose them so much. Seriously people...

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