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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 11:14AM (Unverified) said

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making video games fun is a bad business model. its all about the 100million dollar marketing campaigns, thats how you really sell video games.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 11:19AM mifuneseven said

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Well played sir, well played.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 11:54AM (Unverified) said

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Gigabolt is soon to be a victim of Cryptic's "spreadsheet balancing" Which is all fine and well for a general guideline on how powers should be performing. But Champions Online is such an open framework game and with it's nearly limitless resource system means that a lot(most) powers perform much differently in game.

Time and time again the Developers ignore player feedback on how powers perform in "real world" scenarios. You can see a lot of this in the developer posts on the Champions Online test realm forums. Tons of feedback and still they attest to just using spreadsheets.

Ame just recently called Force Cascade and Gigabolt dead men walking. RIP fun powers!

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 1:16PM Dblade said

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Problem though is that they didn't test those powers well in PvP. Force cascade is overpowered as hell, especially when you compare it to other burst damage powers. at 40, 4k+ damage in a cone ranged AOE with guaranteed knockback even if blocked?

Fun is fun, but some balance is needed.

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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 12:19PM (Unverified) said

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He's played since the BETA... and a couple of WEEKS ago his MAIN was level 11??????

That pretty much threw any credibility on this article out the window.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 12:57PM Krystalle Voecks said

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You've never found a character that (for RP, class, etc. reasons) was more fun to play than the ones you'd rolled already and switched mains? I know I have.

Just sayin'.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 1:41PM Birk said

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Indeed. My definition of main floats around to whatever character Im most enamoured with at the time.

I had a level 80 tauren warrior that I played for 4 years. During that 4 years, I shifted between calling him my main, a rogue my main, and a shaman my main. Neither of those other 2 characters ever reached max level. So, Im sure the man has other characters, sufficient enough to provide genuine insight into the state of the game. His level 11 is merely his new favourite toy.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 2:16PM (Unverified) said

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and the Test version of his main was level 40 anyway
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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not sure what happen it cut me off but the rest of what i said was this. his friend mainly plays on test sever period and plays a little with his friend on live because he does not like pve.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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Gigabolt was the only power that kept me playing for over a month. I built multiple level 40 characters and regen/Gigabolt build was by far and away the most fun. Not my highest DPS build but certainly a PvE playing machine.

Before all the nerfs they had lots of powers that felt like Gigabolt and were probably OP, but the game was more fun even if the cap was hit too fast. I think many games and Cryptic in particular spend too much time in the spreadsheets and not enough time balancing the fun factor in their powers. In the end all the people yelling for PvE balance got their way and I think the game suffered because of it.

Balance in PvP is important, but in PvE fun is more important and it is nice to see a fun article making that point.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 1:00PM (Unverified) said

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Im of the mindset that the worst thing to ever happen to MMO's was the day developers starting reading their own message boards. (I blame Sanya(?) from daoc).
Just like in real life the biggest crybabies are also the loudest. A minority with a bullhorn sounds like the majority (anyone for tea?). My dream for the future is a MMO where the 100 page forum post about how class X is OP and needs nerfed has 0 dev responses. The simple fact of the matter is dev's need to be gamers and play their own games. Before long they will know exactly how OP class x is or if it is just a bunch of no-skillz crying that the training wheels fell off their trikes.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 1:16PM Dblade said

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danarchy, they did. They had a PvP event, and this friday they are having a PvE one.

In the PvP one they came in single concept builds and got roundly curb-stomped from what I hear. I wasn't on test, but I play PvP a lot, and I can tell you its hard enough not getting owned as it is with even a non-standard build.

It's not a matter of people losing due to innovative strategies, a lot of PvP in champions really is spamming the best or even bugged moves like electrocute. Devs got first hand info of that with the event.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 1:17PM Dblade said

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Patrick:

No offense man, but in PvE no one really cares about nerfing stuff or overpowered, unless its glitching content that shouldn't be a cakewalk. Its in PvP people complain, and rightly so, because people keep using the OP abilities and unbalances really become apparent.

If you think circle of arcane power is anywhere near balanced next to giga you are wrong. CAP pins you in place, disappears after a few seconds if you get pulled off of it or need to move, and costs decent energy. While it can boost damage, its more or less balanced in that you give up mobility for damage output.

Pyre...Pyre isn't that good. Very few people use it much in PvP, conflag is the same thing but ranged. Its not bad in PvE but a point blank aoe versus a ranged one usually is no contest.

I don't mind abilities being fun at all, but they also need to be balanced. Ask your friend how much of his fun is from the ability itself, and how much of it is from the steamrollering of things it lets him do.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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Ah, I wasn't refering to pvp only. Example: I have a weird thing for shamans. I have played one in every game that had the class that has ever came out. And in each game the same thing has happened. Started out fairly balanced with a moderate damage and moderate healing abilities. Some guy that can't do both gets a bee in his bonnet and starts screaming on the boards. Other sheeple hear him screaming and start screaming themselves (much like babies in a super market). Eventually nerf bat swingeth and my beloved yet difficult to play class is nerfed down to a support ONLY role. I move to another game....wash repeat.
I realize allot of games out there have pvp and those that are into it are REALLY into it. But from what I have seen, with the exception of wow, is that the majority of nerfs or "re-balancing" is done around ability in PVE. Myself I do not pvp in mmo's, I have FPS's for that. In mmo's i find your ability to frag others is almost entirely based on your freetime to gear up.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 3:43PM Dblade said

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Yeah, but CO is pretty different in that you level 1-40 mostly solo and through quests which aren't that hard to do. Even with a less than ideal build if you wanted to team up you can still do PvE content pretty easily. It's not like nerfing will cause people to lose party invites or make classes unable to progress.

PvP is where there is the most group interaction, and its where you start to see imbalances. Its also somewhat of a defacto endgame as some people burn out of doing daily missions to grind points for gear.



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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 3:10PM zomd said

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I hope this article is satire, a demonstration of a terrible blogging.

Posted: Apr 29th 2010 3:46PM Seraphina Brennan said

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There is a reason it's tagged with the "sarcasm" tag. :3

~Sera
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 4:42PM (Unverified) said

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Sad that people require the tags to detect satire these days. It makes me wonder how A Modest Proposal would be received.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 8:05PM zomd said

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I don't think it's the sad state of people's sarcasm detectors, but rather the sad state of the internet that this very well could be an article on a prominent site. But at least A Modest Proposal worked in context. I'm play CO and I'm not sure what exactly I'm supposed to take away from this article... mocking nerd culture? Ok... I'm not really sure. Perhaps I'm just not in the CO loop enough to know.

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Posted: Apr 29th 2010 6:52PM deadborder said

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I find it apt that the person asking to RP is a Catgirl, standing outside Club Caprice no less.

Those two things together are high on the list of reasoms why I dumped CO

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